^^They'll always be Edoans to me.
Edosian vs. Triexian?
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Not really. A lot of that has been surmised by fandom. As far as I know, the only actually depicted distinction between the two races in the fiction is this:
That would seem to imply that there are more than cultural differences at work.
Also: Dulmer says that Arex's species are not Federation members, though I suppose it's possible that he was making the same Edoan/Triexian mistake Peart was. That seems to contradict the feel of the story, though.
Well, they have those three legs, and they have those three arms
And those long orange heads and incredible charms
And they're quite animated, it's easy to see
Don't call them Triexians; 'cause they're always Edoans to me.
(Yes, I am avoiding real work; how did you guess?)
Yeah, except, of course, in in-universe terms...
In Uhura's Song, much was made of a felinoid species that was biologically identical to forebears on another planet, but there indeed was a difference in the level of "animation" - say, use of tail gestures and the like. So Arex' words could be taken seriously if need be...
Timo Saloniemi
So, "in universe," the word "animated" means "different biology"? Is that really what you're really arguing?
I swear, TrekBBS is becoming an endless source of entertainment for me.
"A much more animated race" was definitely a dig at the fact that we apparently have two names for the same species.
Huh? I was arguing the exact opposite - that "more animated" means "more agitated behavior", just as in Uhura's Song (which supposedly also started out as a TAS echo, until forced to ditch the references to Caitians).
And reading PAD's Arex lines "straight", they way they obviously weren't intended to be read, one gets the impression that Arex is perplexed that anybody could confuse the two groups - but also that anybody who is not Triexian would indeed be easily confused, ergo there would not be major differences in visible biology. More a "How can you confuse Germans and Swiss?!?" sort of thing, then...
Timo Saloniemi
I've only seen 5 of the old Doctor Who serials ( Genesis of the Daleks, Horror of Fang Rock, The Five Doctors, Caves of the Androzoni (sp) and Pyramids of Mars) that I got on DVD when the new one came out, and I'm not sure which Bugs Bunny cartoon that is.
^^As should be evident from context, it's the Bugs Bunny cartoon with Emperor Nero in it. There's also a Daffy Duck/Speedy Gonzales cartoon with Nero, "See Ya Later Gladiator." Nero has shown up in countless works of popular fiction, including Quo Vadis, I, Claudius, Mel Brooks's History of the World Part I, even episodes of The Flintstones and The Beverly Hillbillies (don't ask me, that's what IMDb says). He's a longstanding pop-culture meme, the emperor who fiddled while Rome burned (though it was actually a lyre), and is an archetype for tyranny and decadence. He's also infamous for his persecution of early Christians. It's just astonishing that you've never come across him anywhere in pop culture.
^ I can't recall seeing a Bugs cartoon featuring Nero as a character, though I do recall one where he did a parody of "There's No Place Like Home" in Elmer Fudd's bathtub:
Be it ever so crumbled, there's no place like Rome
Where Nero was the emperor and the palace was his home
But he liked to play with matches and for a fire yearned
He turned Rome to ashes, and fiddled while it burned.
Yes, I'm still avoiding that same task as earlier.
Be it ever so crumbled, there's no place like Rome
Where Nero was the emperor and the palace was his home
But he liked to play with matches and for a fire yearned
He turned Rome to ashes, and fiddled while it burned.
Yes, I'm still avoiding that same task as earlier.
I'm pretty sure the Looney Tunes version of Nero was a caricature of Charles Laughton, who played Nero in the 1932 The Sign of the Cross. The Bugs cartoon in question had Yosemite Sam as a Roman soldier chasing Bugs around the Colosseum with the intent of throwing him to the lions. It was a perennial on the Saturday morning Bugs Bunny Roadrunner Show, as I recall.
^ Okay, that sounds more familiar. (Though, of course, "Yosemite Sam chases Bugs around" pretty much sums up every pairing of the two characters.)
In that case I there is a pretty good chance I probably come across him when I was very young. Sadly I haven't watched Flintstones or Looney Toones in ages, and have no idea which ones I have or haven't seen. I wonder if there's anywhere were I could legally watch that stuff on line. Well I just checked and apparently you can watch episodes of both Looney Tunes and Flintsones on the KidsWB site.
EDIT: Damn, couldn't find Roman Legion Hare anywhere.
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Within Kevin Dilmore's story, aside from the already quoted bits of text which, as Timo said, are intended to be punny, there are several other cultural differences illustrated between Edoans and Triexians which are brought to light by Lt Peart's misguided attempts at hospitality.
I'll not go into them as you should really read the story for yourself.
'cause it's rad.
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It's (deliberately?) not been made clear, but the two species are said to be very similar, and certainly Arex gets mistaken as Edosian often.
I'd guess the branching is similar to Romulan and Vulcan. Or Mintakan and Vulcan.
My reading of it was that Edos wasn't a member planet, but Triex was.
The old Lincoln Enterprises biography stated that Arex was Edoan, that Edos wasn't a UFP member and that Arex had no siblings. "Gateways: Cold Wars" says that Arex had many siblings, but maybe they were born after his TAS appearances. "Articles of the Federation" shows a Triexian UFP councilor, so doesn't that make Triex a UFP member?
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Where did you hear that?
I had an email correspondence with Janet Kagan a few years ago, and asked her why she didn't reference M'Ress (have been a crewmember on the ship) when McCoy was desperately researching Federation felinoid diseases. She said she didn't know TAS well, and therefore had never intended to reference Caitians.
I don't know what happened to No Limits here. I was really looking forward to it, but it never hit the local shelves, and I was too lazy to order. We got things like the Captain's Table anthology just fine...
Sorry, it's my bad English again. By "suppose" I meant it appeared obvious to me, not that it would have been suggested by an outside source.
That's a bit surprising, but I'm happy with the idea that the writers don't think in terms of "all felinoids must be Caitians" when TOS clearly didn't think in terms of "all humanlike species must be humans".
Timo Saloniemi
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