Hutt snuff films.
Ebert trashes "Star Wars: The Clone Wars"
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OK, seriously. I haven't looked up any spoilers - what's going on with the Hutts in this one to elicit these reactions?
Didn't we already have that in ROTJ? Jabba just forgot his safety word with Leia.
OK, seriously. I haven't looked up any spoilers - what's going on with the Hutts in this one to elicit these reactions?
I'm going to attempt to use spoiler code.
The really bad bit had to do with Jabba's uncle Zero/Ziro however you spell it. He was on Coruscant or somewhere equivalent and was running a club there. He spoke English and sounded like an older black woman or something. He had tons of facial make up on and feathers on his head. It was just really bizarre and just really bad.
If it wasn't for him and the rest of the stupid humor that had to do with various droids I'd probably give it closer to a B-, keeping in mind that it's a lead up to a TV show and it feels like a TV show that is high end enough to be in a theater and not look junky.
Well, it's likely that even if Stoppard did a dialogue pass that Lucas would've changed things back. He did the same with some of Stover's changes in the novelization.
^ That would make more sense than somebody with a record like Stoppard's suddenly producing such painful lines.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
OK, seriously. I haven't looked up any spoilers - what's going on with the Hutts in this one to elicit these reactions?
I thought Jabba was pretty much Jabba. The Hutt baby was a bit too cutesy for my tastes, but this is the launching of a show on the Cartoon Network, after all, so I don't imagine I'm the target demo for it.
I guess the harsh reactions on the Hutts must all be stemming from the effete Uncle Ziro, who wears makeup and feathers and channels Truman Capote 100% of the time "he" is onscreen. And speaks English. Probably because Huttese with a lisp is still just Huttese and the "joke" of an evil gay Hutt would be lost in the language.
Here's the story
Of Hutt named Jabba
Who was bringing up a kid we never knew,
And he suddenly also has an uncle
Sounding like Truman Capote through and through
It's the story
Of a scowling Jedi
Who is teamed up with a padwan from the Bratz
In a tale that makes wise Yoda look quite stupid,
And the comic relief robots drove me bats!
The Clone War Bunch
The Clone War Bunch
They're the in-suf-fer-a-ble Clone War Bunch.
Don't forget that good old
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Was always trying to catch up in every scene.
He'd tell Anakin to go ahead and start things
And he'd show up just in time to help him clean.
And despite the title of this animation,
All the battles were just boring and cliche.
But, alas, it's only the beginning
Cuz we'll get to see more every Saturday!
The Clone War Bunch
The Clone War Bunch
They're the in-suf-fer-a-ble Clone War Bunch.
--Ted
Of Hutt named Jabba
Who was bringing up a kid we never knew,
And he suddenly also has an uncle
Sounding like Truman Capote through and through
It's the story
Of a scowling Jedi
Who is teamed up with a padwan from the Bratz
In a tale that makes wise Yoda look quite stupid,
And the comic relief robots drove me bats!
The Clone War Bunch
The Clone War Bunch
They're the in-suf-fer-a-ble Clone War Bunch.
Don't forget that good old
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Was always trying to catch up in every scene.
He'd tell Anakin to go ahead and start things
And he'd show up just in time to help him clean.
And despite the title of this animation,
All the battles were just boring and cliche.
But, alas, it's only the beginning
Cuz we'll get to see more every Saturday!
The Clone War Bunch
The Clone War Bunch
They're the in-suf-fer-a-ble Clone War Bunch.
--Ted
Seeing it wide awake and knowing what to expect instead of half asleep greatly improved the experience. Instead of a 3/5, I would now give it a 4.5/5.
Things that still bother me: voice of Ziro the Hutt, crying Rotto, and blatant EU contradictions
Viewing it as a four-part story instead of a single story erased the issues I had with the pacing and last-minute appearances of Padme, 3PO, and Ziro. The battle droid humor is still not very realistic, even if they are autonomous to some degree, but once I decided to just roll with it, I found them to be pretty amusing.
I would now recommend the movie to anyone who liked the last 40 minutes of Attack of the Clones.
Things that still bother me: voice of Ziro the Hutt, crying Rotto, and blatant EU contradictions
Viewing it as a four-part story instead of a single story erased the issues I had with the pacing and last-minute appearances of Padme, 3PO, and Ziro. The battle droid humor is still not very realistic, even if they are autonomous to some degree, but once I decided to just roll with it, I found them to be pretty amusing.
I would now recommend the movie to anyone who liked the last 40 minutes of Attack of the Clones.
I don't know, isn't Anikin's padawan in a completely different character style from the rest of them? I mean, seriously...Owl eyes.
Nice.
I won't deny that Lucas' work often has racially insensitive undertones (the WWII Japanese stereotypes that became the Nemoidians, pretty much any indigenous person in an Indiana Jones movie) but this time, folks are a bit off base. For starters, Ziro the Hutt is a male hutt (he's referred to as Jabba's uncle), and his voice is a dead ringer for Truman Capote. If anyone should be a bit irked, it would be the gay community (though I thought Ziro was camp enough to be ultimately innoffensive, I wouldn't blame someone else for deciding otherwise). These "New Orleans crack whore" comments that have started to spring up seem to reflect more about the commenter than the movie itself.
Most extreme PC statements usually do.
I was just saying to my partner this afternoon that this extreme over-reaction is usually on the part of some completely non-involved third party who is bending over backwards to prevent someone else from being offended, when that very person/party did not care in the slightest.
This actually piques my interest - in what way, exactly, "disgusting and disturbing"?
OK, seriously. I haven't looked up any spoilers - what's going on with the Hutts in this one to elicit these reactions?
I'm going to attempt to use spoiler code.
The really bad bit had to do with Jabba's uncle Zero/Ziro however you spell it. He was on Coruscant or somewhere equivalent and was running a club there. He spoke English and sounded like an older black woman or something. He had tons of facial make up on and feathers on his head. It was just really bizarre and just really bad.
If it wasn't for him and the rest of the stupid humor that had to do with various droids I'd probably give it closer to a B-, keeping in mind that it's a lead up to a TV show and it feels like a TV show that is high end enough to be in a theater and not look junky.
OK, seriously. I haven't looked up any spoilers - what's going on with the Hutts in this one to elicit these reactions?
I thought Jabba was pretty much Jabba. The Hutt baby was a bit too cutesy for my tastes, but this is the launching of a show on the Cartoon Network, after all, so I don't imagine I'm the target demo for it.
I guess the harsh reactions on the Hutts must all be stemming from the effete Uncle Ziro, who wears makeup and feathers and channels Truman Capote 100% of the time "he" is onscreen. And speaks English. Probably because Huttese with a lisp is still just Huttese and the "joke" of an evil gay Hutt would be lost in the language.
Thanks for the info guys.
Sounds weird. It's actually made me more interested in seeing the movie!
What exactly are the EU contradictions? I'm a big fan of the Clone Wars comics (and some of the novels), so I plan on picking up the tie-in material, but I'm not sure if I'll be seeing the movie itself or not.
What if I thought the last forty minutes of AotC was where it became uninteresting (aside from the last two minutes)?
So, basically, they're claiming that they could have produced something with decent if not stunning animation and cinematography, but decided instead to opt for something that would look cheap and ugly.
If true, then that is dumb. Forgive the crudeness, but I just can't think of any other way to describe this decision other than... just, plain dumb.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
I thought the film's look was very interesting, and downright beautiful at times. When you consider that this has to be recreated week after week after week on television, it's going to be one of the most gorgeously animated CGI cartoons yet.
In the movie itself? Dunno, haven't seen it. (Though frankly, especially in the Revenge of the Sith novelization, there's question of why Ashoka wasn't mentioned before.)
The novelization obviously has the big timeline kerfluffle. Jabba's head of his clan earlier than the HST indicated, and Anakin/Shmi were supposedly owned by a Hutt, not Watto. But I can't say how much of that is actually expressed in the film.
It would not surprise me in the least if there's contradictions with information on Ventress from elsewhere; I haven't watched more than two episodes of the first animated series, and I'm not as familiar with the Clone Wars comics as I'd like.
(I'm still unconvinced that "first six/last six" will actually fix the timeline issues. It might allow for similar interpretations of events to occur, but small bits like Labyrinth of Evil's reference to Anakin "let[ting] his hair grow long the past few months" are going to break the actual novels from being "real". Hell, Jabiim might have already broken it--that took, what, a month of what would be the first six months? Is there really enough time for everything else in there?)
I don't do cartoons so as much as I like the SW's franchise...meh to the 'Clone Wars'.
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