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Ebert trashes "Star Wars: The Clone Wars"

Perhaps you should read the entire review again before calling him an "elitist moron," because he didn't criticize the style of the animation but rather its poor execution in relation to other recent animated films.

"This is the first feature-length animated Star Wars movie, but instead of pushing the state of the art, it's retro. You'd think the great animated films of recent years had never been made. The characters have hair that looks molded from Play-Doh, bodies that seem arthritic, and moving lips on half-frozen faces -- all signs that shortcuts were taken in the animation work."

Actually that's the precise quote that convinced me the most strongly of his biases. Those are just the sort of comments that one might make about a set of stylistic choices that one does not understand. The hair is meant to look stylized rather than realistic, while the body movement may be intentionally staccato and limited as an aesthetic choice, much like Genndy Tartakovsky's 2D animation work tends to be. After all, the characters and movement style of The Clone Wars were designed with weekly TV production in mind, so it's natural that the chosen aesthetic would be more spare and efficient than the more lush style of a feature film. And given that that's the chosen style for the series, it makes sense to do the film in the same style to maintain consistency.

It seems kind of circular though, you're saying the style was chosen to fit the limitations of a TV cartoon and Ebert is saying it looks like a TV cartoon. I think you're both making the same point.
 
The problem with using this type of animation with a Star Wars movie is that it's clearly not cutting edge. Movie audiences expect Star Wars FILMS to employ among the best in special FX technology that are available at the time. In terms of quality in directing, acting, and story, that ship sailed a long time ago for Star Wars. But in terms of technical aspects, audiences still expect the best from this series. But judging from the animated previews I've seen, this flick looks like the poor cousin of any recent Pixar film.

Yeah, you could justify it all by saying it's a stylistic animation choice that's being used here, but I'm not buying it. If it's a question of style, it's clearly a flawed one. There's nothing wrong with expecting the animated characters in any major motion picture to invoke human expression to a reasonable degree. Even Walt Disney accomplished this in 1937.
 
I rarely disagree with Ebert, and this is no exception. And to all the fans who whined in another thread about how "Gendy's Clone Wars wasn't really that great blah blah blah", all I have to say is this: Suck it losers. Because Genndy's Clone Wars looks like Shakespeare in comparison this piece of shit. But that's Lucas for you. Oh no, can't have something in the Star Wars Universe that isn't full of little kiddie crap and doesn't think that it's audience are idiots. Can't have something that is , you know, good.

Yeah, I wasn't a huge fan of the previous series, but I do give it credit for staying away from most of the cheesy humor, farting animals, and other kiddie crap that plagued the movies.

It's just too bad it was focused on the boring prequel era. I'd love to see him tackle the OT and the much more engaging characters of Han, Luke and Leia.
 
I'm not surprised at all. I never expected this to actually be a good movie. Fun, perhaps, but not high quality. But like the OP, i'm still going to see it, and I expect to enjoy myself at least somewhat.

Now see, I've given this some thought. I may have even read about this elsewhere...

Shouldn't battle scenes and lightsaber duels be different in the prequels and the Clone War material? After all, what did we have in the OT?

1. Lightsaber duel between an old Jedi and a refried mechanized former Jedi
2. Lightsaber duel between a neophyte Jedi and above mentioned former Jedi
3. Lightsaber duel between Jedi with incomplete training and same mechanized Jedi

In the PT we have tons of young Jedi in their prime trained at an elite Jedi academy.

As much as I dislike the PT I've got to admit this is the only era where we get to see the Jedi in their prime and all their glory.
 
I'm with you Roger. I'd rather watch Ewoks f**k.

So Ewoks fuck like Care Bears? They eat dirt to make but plugs sleep for the winter, wake up 4 months later crazy from the starvation and blue balls and then eat and fuck everyone else who is still sleeping until they're sated?

I wonder if Ewoks and Wombles can intebreed?
 
I'll wait until it comes out on DVD before hating it.


J.

That's better then most people here. :lol:

I don't need to watch CW in order to get a vibe about whether I'd like it. ROTJ, TPM, AOTC, and ROTS were more than enough.



It took you four movies to figure out you didnt like the current SW universe anymore. I would figure by the third time a person would figure the bad "vibe"by then.;):lol:
 
The bottom line is that they should never have released this theatrically. It already raises the bar way too high on what could have premiered as a modest and surprisingly enjoyable little TV show. Leave it to Lucasfilm to explore every option to squeeze every nickle out of the franchise; I can't wait to see how they over-handle the live action series.
 
Wookie Prostitutes on Tatooine. 50 cents of pleasure for 50 years of regrets.

John Williams is marvelous. But it they want to appeal to me, then they need to put Wierd Al in charge of the music and most everything else.
 
I'll probably give this a C-. It had some good parts, but a lot of it was rather bad. I liked Anakin quite a bit, Obi-Wan spoke in an oddly slow way, the battle sequences were really good for the most part and there was some nice imagery throughout. The problems had to do with the really bad humor in the entire thing, pretty much. The Hutt thing was just beyond ridiculous. I just sat there saying to myself, "WTF am I watching?" I really don't know what they were thinking with the character of Ziro.

I'm happy I only paid 7 dollars for it. If I had paid 11 I would have been really annoying. The movie isn't worth paying the $7 for it. It works as a Saturday morning cartoon kind of thing or a rental, not as a full theatrical release.
 
Perhaps you should read the entire review again before calling him an "elitist moron," because he didn't criticize the style of the animation but rather its poor execution in relation to other recent animated films.

"This is the first feature-length animated Star Wars movie, but instead of pushing the state of the art, it's retro. You'd think the great animated films of recent years had never been made. The characters have hair that looks molded from Play-Doh, bodies that seem arthritic, and moving lips on half-frozen faces -- all signs that shortcuts were taken in the animation work."

Actually that's the precise quote that convinced me the most strongly of his biases. Those are just the sort of comments that one might make about a set of stylistic choices that one does not understand. The hair is meant to look stylized rather than realistic, while the body movement may be intentionally staccato and limited as an aesthetic choice, much like Genndy Tartakovsky's 2D animation work tends to be. After all, the characters and movement style of The Clone Wars were designed with weekly TV production in mind, so it's natural that the chosen aesthetic would be more spare and efficient than the more lush style of a feature film. And given that that's the chosen style for the series, it makes sense to do the film in the same style to maintain consistency.

Isn't that the whole point of making it in CGI though? Traditional animation might employ more static facial and body movements to make it easier to duplicate for a TV production, but isn't the advantage of using CGI that you don't have to redraw or reuse previous drawings of the same character for every single frame but can (relatively) simply manipulate a single computer model into different movements, postures, and facial expressions?

Either way, I just don't see how that makes Ebert an "elitist moron" regardless. He's always struck me as a fairly down to Earth guy who does what he does out of a great love for all forms of film work. He's never had overly elitist tastes, and sometimes loves popcorn films even the general public rejects.
 
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