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Eat clones!

tri said:
Meredith said:
Fire said:
Everyone should go the same route as me and turn vegetarian, I saw a program the other day called 'kill it, cook it and eat it'. The program literally shows you them kill the poor little defenceless lambs and skin them etc etc
I watched them fire a bolt through one lambs head and the lamb was still alive screaming after the bolt went through its head, another lamb had its head held and they stuck a big knife in its next and started sawing in and out all the while the lamb was screaming and blood was gushing out everywhere.

I AM NOW A VEGETARIAN!

I grew up on the farm, ain't gonna happen.

When I was about nine my dad had to butcher a pig that had a bum leg since he couldn't sell it tot he slaughter house. It was winter and the road was snow packed. He tied a chain around it's back legs and lifted it up in the air with the loader bucket on the tractor and proceeded to cut the jugular vein. There was a lot of blood and a lot of steam as it was about -5 degrees outside. The blood literally gushed out an onto the snow packed road turning it red like a cherry flavoring being added to a snow cone. It wasn't long until the pig passed out due to loss of blood and then death. My dad proceeded to harvest every part of the pig except the squeal. He did a good job of dis-assembling the animal, but I don't think he would have fared as well if he had to put it back together. That night my mom made some pork chops from the freshly harvested pig flesh. Those were pretty damn good tasting pork chops.

I learned a lot about the different parts of the pig as my dad who some would consider "a country bumpkin" was able to identify every internal organ in the pig as he carefully removed them and placed them in a seprate plastic baggy. I got more education that day concerning biology than I had previously. Always scored at the top of my class in biology classes.

Would you consider that child abuse?

Food is food and Humans developed large brains by hunting for food, not hunting plants, any chimp can hunt plants and kill them, heck, even chimps eat meat occasionally.

If you wanna only eat vegitarian, good for you. Just make for damned sure you eat the right stuff of you could be deficient in certain vitamins and amino acids.

But no video clip is gonna change my mind on eating animals.

That is very cruel and evil as if he got pleasure from killing the disabled pig that way.

I wonder if the R.S.P.A knows about this.

That is an absolutely disgusting way to behave.

He obviously has no compassion for living creatures and from your description prolonged the animal's suffering.

It is found from numerous studies that people who are cruel to animals,are cruel to people and their children lack compassion,and empathy in turn and from your,very cold butcher style description,that certainly seems to be the case.

If he had an ounce of decency he would have killed it quickly and humanely by severing his neck spinal cord.

My dad didn't get any pleasure from it except for the pleasure of knowing that this was food that would go towards feeding his children, myself included. The animal didn't last very long after he made the first cut. But the problem with a pig is that it's skull is pretty hard and if he had tried to shoot it with the only varmit gun we had at the time, a .22 caliber. The bullet would have ricocheted off the animal's skull causing even more pain. The only effective and quick way was a cut across the jugular. The animal was suffering from a bum leg that my father had tried to splint up several times before because the other pigs were fighting each other and this pig hurt it trying to get away. Was it better to leave the pig to live it's life in pain or end it relitively quickly.

As for your no compassion for animals statement, that is totally bogus. My dad spent many a cold night making sure the cattle were alright and was very religious around calving season to make sure the coyotes kept away from the baby calves. He was very well versed in animal husbandry as both a farmer and a rancher. He is one of the most compassionate mans and treated his children well, I never ever saw hit hit any of us children or my mom, EVER. He bent over backwards to make sure we had pleanty of food and clothing. He may not have been a mushy feel good, I wanna be your friend, fluffball that you see in the cities these days. He cared for us all very much and he showed us by providing and teaching us about life. He taught his children about life and didn't sugar coat a damn thing and I am a much better person for it.

Do I lack compassion and empathy? No, I most certainly do not lack compassion or empathy, my friends know that I am a real deal genuine person. When I say I will help them with something I actually do it even if it is a major inconveince to myself. I know that talk is cheap and actions speak much more that mere words. I am always the first one there to pick up the pieces of other people's shattered relationships and emotional problems. I am a compassonate person who is very dependable, a lesson I learned from both my parents.

The main reason i got this reaction is that most of the people on this board grew up in clean sterilized city environments. They never have to see the life and death struggle that nature shows itself to country folks every day. You see a dead rabbit and you are like, "OMG teh poor little innocent bunny wabbit died, let's have a pet funeral for it." A country raised person goes, "Well, that is one less varmit to feed on the crops." Country people are more versed in the savage reality that is nature. City people think that nature is this Disney utopia that it is most certainly not. Nature is a vicious savage beast, remember this next time you buy a pre-processed sterilized burger at Mickey Dee's.
 
Meredith said:
Nature is a vicious savage beast,

Yes because budgerigars are vicious savage beasts and nothing but varmint. Nature should be embraced because without nature and all its big and little animals this world wouldn't exist.
Instead of blasting the rabbit why not show a bit of compassion and catch it instead, box it up and take it elsewhere away from your crops.
Humans are blessed with the luxury of intelligence, when humans gained this intelligence and learnt how to grow crops they should have re-assessed their dietary requirements and stopped butchering defenceless animals who exactly like humans feel pain and suffering and even scream in agony when they're being butchered.
I have a pet gerbil and even though its small and you would likely consider it varmint it shows signs of intelligence, believe it or not it actually uses a plastic house in its cage as a toilet, now if thats not a sign of intelligence I dont know what is, it might not be as intelligent as a human but its not stupid and if thats the case for a small gerbil how intelligent do you think a lamb might be.
People need to stop putting animals in a different category to humans, why is it wrong to butcher another human being? is it because humans are more intelligent? because that's the only difference between a human and an animal, dogs wag their tails when they're happy, a sign of emotion yet in China they're butchered for meat along with cats.

If a person is attacked by an animal then by all means kill it in self defence but to systematically butcher billions of defenceless pain feeling animals a year that have done NOTHING to harm a humans just so people can tickle their taste buds is sickening.
 
Meredith said:
My dad didn't get any pleasure from it except for the pleasure of knowing that this was food that would go towards feeding his children, myself included. The animal didn't last very long after he made the first cut. But the problem with a pig is that it's skull is pretty hard and if he had tried to shoot it with the only varmit gun we had at the time, a .22 caliber. The bullet would have ricocheted off the animal's skull causing even more pain. The only effective and quick way was a cut across the jugular. The animal was suffering from a bum leg that my father had tried to splint up several times before because the other pigs were fighting each other and this pig hurt it trying to get away. Was it better to leave the pig to live it's life in pain or end it relitively quickly.

As for your no compassion for animals statement, that is totally bogus. My dad spent many a cold night making sure the cattle were alright and was very religious around calving season to make sure the coyotes kept away from the baby calves. He was very well versed in animal husbandry as both a farmer and a rancher. He is one of the most compassionate mans and treated his children well, I never ever saw hit hit any of us children or my mom, EVER. He bent over backwards to make sure we had pleanty of food and clothing. He may not have been a mushy feel good, I wanna be your friend, fluffball that you see in the cities these days. He cared for us all very much and he showed us by providing and teaching us about life. He taught his children about life and didn't sugar coat a damn thing and I am a much better person for it.

Do I lack compassion and empathy? No, I most certainly do not lack compassion or empathy, my friends know that I am a real deal genuine person. When I say I will help them with something I actually do it even if it is a major inconveince to myself. I know that talk is cheap and actions speak much more that mere words. I am always the first one there to pick up the pieces of other people's shattered relationships and emotional problems. I am a compassonate person who is very dependable, a lesson I learned from both my parents.

The main reason i got this reaction is that most of the people on this board grew up in clean sterilized city environments. They never have to see the life and death struggle that nature shows itself to country folks every day. You see a dead rabbit and you are like, "OMG teh poor little innocent bunny wabbit died, let's have a pet funeral for it." A country raised person goes, "Well, that is one less varmit to feed on the crops." Country people are more versed in the savage reality that is nature. City people think that nature is this Disney utopia that it is most certainly not. Nature is a vicious savage beast, remember this next time you buy a pre-processed sterilized burger at Mickey Dee's.
It sounds like you grew up in a very similar environment to me. You're not my sister, are you? ;) All I can say in response is a big "Amen".
 
Fire said:
Yes because budgerigars are vicious savage beasts and nothing but varmint. Nature should be embraced because without nature and all its big and little animals this world wouldn't exist.
Instead of blasting the rabbit why not show a bit of compassion and catch it instead, box it up and take it elsewhere away from your crops.
Humans are blessed with the luxury of intelligence, when humans gained this intelligence and learnt how to grow crops they should have re-assessed their dietary requirements and stopped butchering defenceless animals who exactly like humans feel pain and suffering and even scream in agony when they're being butchered.
I have a pet gerbil and even though its small and you would likely consider it varmint it shows signs of intelligence, believe it or not it actually uses a plastic house in its cage as a toilet, now if thats not a sign of intelligence I dont know what is, it might not be as intelligent as a human but its not stupid and if thats the case for a small gerbil how intelligent do you think a lamb might be.
People need to stop putting animals in a different category to humans, why is it wrong to butcher another human being? is it because humans are more intelligent? because that's the only difference between a human and an animal, dogs wag their tails when they're happy, a sign of emotion yet in China they're butchered for meat along with cats.

If a person is attacked by an animal then by all means kill it in self defence but to systematically butcher billions of defenceless pain feeling animals a year that have done NOTHING to harm a humans just so people can tickle their taste buds is sickening.
With regard to rabbit, you don't know what you're talking about. First, the hypothetical rabbit she was talking about was already dead, perhaps hit by a car or something. Second, trapping the nuisance animal and taking it somewhere else only gives the problem to someone else and takes a lot more time and effort than the farmer has.

No one is arguing that animals have no intelligence. Likewise, no one here has talked about taking pleasure in causing animals to suffer. The aforementioned pig was killed quickly and not made to suffer needlessly. In most cases, where animals are butchered for meat, they are killed quickly and reasonable steps are taken to minimize suffering. I'm sure the propog...er...documentary you saw was very accurate in it's depiction of how animals are killed. After all, it was an unbiased documentary on meat processing, right. The producers surely wouldn't present it in such a way to make it seem awful and inhumane, would they?
 
farmkid said:
After all, it was an unbiased documentary on meat processing, right. The producers surely wouldn't present it in such a way to make it seem awful and inhumane, would they?

As a matter of fact it is unbiased and shows precisely how it is done, i'm not saying they dont try to kill them quickly i'm saying its sick to kill them at all, even when trying to do it quickly i'm sure it still hurts having a knife sawn through your neck so you're left to quickly bleed to death or a bolt shot through the back of your head.

What if theres a super hyper intelligent race out there who compared to humans makes humans look like cattle, is it right for them to butcher humans and use them as meat simply because they are more intelligent?
 
Fire said:
farmkid said:
After all, it was an unbiased documentary on meat processing, right. The producers surely wouldn't present it in such a way to make it seem awful and inhumane, would they?

As a matter of fact it is unbiased and shows precisely how it is done, i'm not saying they dont try to kill them quickly i'm saying its sick to kill them at all, even when trying to do it quickly i'm sure it still hurts having a knife sawn through your neck so you're left to quickly bleed to death or a bolt shot through the back of your head.

What if theres a super hyper intelligent race out there who compared to humans makes humans look like cattle, is it right for them to butcher humans and use them as meat simply because they are more intelligent?

There is a reason we eat cows, chickens, sheep, pigs etc... and not monkeys. Monkeys would constantly be getting out of their pens and throwing poop at us. Plus Monkeys have a far greater sense of self awareness than say a cow or chicken or rabbit. There is a reason predators like cats, dogs, lions, bears and humans are smart while herbavores like cows, sheep, and rabbits are dumb. Predators survive because they have to be smarter than their prey. Prey survive because they find safety in superior numbers and the ability out out reproduce demand.

I don't eat carnivores because they are a lot smarter than the prey they eat. Only exception would be some of the non-mammal carnivores like some fish and crustacean species. I also avoid eating anthing that might have had a common ancestor reaching back at the very least 20 million years. I don't eat primates or monkeys. So if you are a land dwelling mammal non primate herbavore of limited intellegnce, watch out cause I have got a bib, a fork and a knife. :p :p :p
 
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