Spoilers Eastereggs, references, observations, nods – the LD collection

[YouAreDooomed]

Rather presumptuous on this point. Shras describes his people as a "violent race" in TOS, indicating that they had not been forced to renounce their more violent ways to participate in the Federation.

Humans, Vulcans and probably lots of other Fed species can be described as violent races as well.

Why? The whole point of the UFP is that disparate groups and members can come together and work together for the common good and use mutual cooperation in spite of differences. Even in TNG abandoning trials by combat or death penalties are not exclusionary factors for interaction with the Federation and the Enterprise crew work within the cultural norms not excluding them from participation.

And thank you all for correcting me regarding Ligonians from Code of Honor. Yes, that was the race I was thinking of.

Regardless, I disagree with the categorical dismissal of "it wouldn't be tolerated" which seems rather against the principles of the Federation.

Some of the most important principles are shared values, laws, civil rights, which doesn't mean every member has to give up its cultural distinctiveness. The Federation doesn't tolerate the death penalty; They refuse the membership application of the Angosians because their veterans are mistreated; Bajor would be refused if they kept their caste system; During the Data vs. Maddox trial, the judge points out, "We have rule of law in this Federation. You cannot simply seize people and experiment with them to prove your [Maddox's] pet theories." This is applicable to the Andorian practice too, you cannot force people to participate in a life and death fight for personal vengenace.

The only way I see this tradition may be maintained is if the (mentally healthy) accused can refuse to fight without any repercussions. And of course it should not replace a proper trial, e.g. even if a suspected murderer wins the duel, they must still be taken to court.

The Andorians we see last week in Envoys still carried around with the the ceremonial bladed weapons, and wielded them in the bar fight. So if 24th century Andorians still carry bladed weapons around with them for personal defense, I doubt they've abandoned their ceremonial combat rituals either.

"It's an ice-miner's tool. Andorians play with them as children." (ENT "United")

 

[fireproof78]

The only way I see this tradition may be maintained is if the (mentally healthy) accused can refuse to fight without any repercussions. And of course it should not replace a proper trial, e.g. even if a suspected murderer wins the duel, they must still be taken to court.

Would that not be a point of negotiation? Given the variety of cultures in the Federation I don't see this one as an automatically precluding Federation membership.

 

[NCC-73515]

Humans, Vulcans and probably lots of other Fed species can be described as violent races as well.

Humans are a dangerously savage child-race, I believe XD

 

[dupersuper]

Humans are a dangerously savage child-race, I believe XD

The jury was still out on that one as of 2371...

 

[Mike McDevitt]

Our LDx heroes’ bunks are labelled A12001 through A12004. Are they on Deck 12?

 

[NCC-73515]

Our LDx heroes’ bunks are labelled A12001 through A12004. Are they on Deck 12?

Deck 9 according to the map

 

[NCC-73515]

Episode 4:

A nice TOS/ENT Tellarite
Mummies in disabled cryo pods like in TNG's Neutral Zone
The conference room wall has the angular artwork from TNG
TOS font poker cards
Tamarians use bugs for ascension
Fake 'Moriarty on the holodeck' excuse
Merced's LCARS is green
The ships terraforming is similar to what the D'Arsay archive did
Sense-ors is a reference to Spock, I guess...?
New ship class coming next week: USS Vancouver

 

[Mike McDevitt]

Tuvok also pronounced it sense-oars, according to Garrett Wang's podcast.
The terraforming emulsion fluid is also not dissimilar to the "life from lifelessness" Genesis Wave.
How many other ascended have there even been? A couple on the SS Valiant, Dehner and Mitchell, The Organians, V'Ger, Ilia, Decker, John Doe from Zalkon, Wes Crusher, Sisko and Dukat maybe? I bet there are more.

"DROP BACK INTO THE PHYSICAL AND ROLL!!!"

 

[Timo]

The Ocampa, too, presumably. Or at least Kes.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[frankieteardrop]

Episode 4:

A nice TOS/ENT Tellarite
Mummies in disabled cryo pods like in TNG's Neutral Zone
The conference room wall has the angular artwork from TNG
TOS font poker cards
Tamarians use bugs for ascension
Fake 'Moriarty on the holodeck' excuse
Merced's LCARS is green
The ships terraforming is similar to what the D'Arsay archive did
Sense-ors is a reference to Spock, I guess...?
New ship class coming next week: USS Vancouver

We also get Rutherford mentioning the Q and The Traveler from TNG. Another character references the Changelings, but I can't remember who it was.

 

[JoseNoodles]

In the first episode when Boimler and Mariner are showing Tandi the holodeck, and they talk about sand, is that an Attack of the Clones reference? You know, Anakin's infamous, "I hate sand" line.

 

[fireproof78]

In the first episode when Boimler and Mariner are showing Tandi the holodeck, and they talk about sand, is that an Attack of the Clones reference? You know, Anakin's infamous, "I hate sand" line.

That's what I took it as.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Boimler's gonna go full Vader. We saw a hint of it this week. HIDE YOUR YOUNGLINGS!!!

 

[Sarcastic Vulcan Salute]

Some of the most important principles are shared values, laws, civil rights, which doesn't mean every member has to give up its cultural distinctiveness. The Federation doesn't tolerate the death penalty; They refuse the membership application of the Angosians because their veterans are mistreated; Bajor would be refused if they kept their caste system; During the Data vs. Maddox trial, the judge points out, "We have rule of law in this Federation. You cannot simply seize people and experiment with them to prove your [Maddox's] pet theories." This is applicable to the Andorian practice too, you cannot force people to participate in a life and death fight for personal vengenace.

The only way I see this tradition may be maintained is if the (mentally healthy) accused can refuse to fight without any repercussions. And of course it should not replace a proper trial, e.g. even if a suspected murderer wins the duel, they must still be taken to court.

I think it is a safe assumption that the Federation's legal system works similar to that of the U.S. in the real world.

There is an overarching legal system that guarantees certain rights and responsibilities to anyone, and then each of the states/planets has its own laws that with some amount of leeway to take different approaches from one another or from the overarching system.

So for example, there are a number of states that have outlawed the death penalty but people can still be tried in the federal system and receive a death sentence, even if their crime was committed in one of the states that has outlawed the death penalty.

The flipside could be true in the Federation. The Federation's charter could either make it so that none of its member planets could impose the death penalty at all (except for a violation of General Order 4(?)), or it could simply mean that if you are charged with a crime under the Federation's system you can't receive the death penalty, but if you are convicted of certain crimes on Risa, under Risan justice, you can be sentenced to death by snu snu.

 

[The Wormhole]

but if you are convicted of certain crimes on Risa, under Risan justice, you can be sentenced to death by snu snu.

Impossible since Risans don't prosecute (DS9 Let He Who is Without Sin)

 

[Tim Thomason]

Impossible since Risans don't prosecute (DS9 Let He Who is Without Sin)

They "won't prosecute" for the weird armed protest Fullerton put on, because they "lack courage". It's possible that more serious crimes are prosecuted, or perhaps handed over to Federation authorities. Risa isn't a lawless anarchy, so they must have some sort of order in place, especially given the hedonistic lifestyle that means their must be some protection against sex crimes by tourists.

 

[The Wormhole]

They "won't prosecute" for the weird armed protest Fullerton put on, because they "lack courage". It's possible that more serious crimes are prosecuted, or perhaps handed over to Federation authorities. Risa isn't a lawless anarchy, so they must have some sort of order in place, especially given the hedonistic lifestyle that means their must be some protection against sex crimes by tourists.

I don't know. On TNG, we see a Ferengi mercenary operating with impunity on Risa. And on Enterprise Trip and Reed fell victim to a mugging and later we learned T'Pol actually publicly killed someone on Risa without consequence.

Or hell, after looking through Memory-Alpha I was reminded:
-It was en route to Risa when Geordi was captured and brainwashed by the Romulans in TNG The Mind's Eye
-It was on Risa where Riker met the Ktarian woman who gave him the titular Game from TNG The Game which became instrumental in compromising the Enterprise D and crew.
-It was on Risa where a mole within Starfleet Intelligence leaked info to the Orion Syndicate in DS9 Honor Among Thieves

All things considered, Risa sure does seem to attract a lot of crime. Guess they really don't prosecute.

 

[Sarcastic Vulcan Salute]

That a lot of crime happens on or en route to Risa has absolutely nothing to do with whether Risan authorities have the ability or the will to prosecute crime independent of the Federation, any more than the fact that there's a lot of crime that happens in and around Walt Disney World says nothing about whether Orlando can prosecute crime that happens there. The overall point isn't about Risa, though. It's that it seems a fair assumption that each planet likely retains its own independent laws and traditions that -- as long as they don't fall beneath some floor set by the Federation Charter -- they can enjoy. For instance, I doubt that a Federation planet could have a system of justice that forces people to give testimony that might incriminate themselves, because citizens have a right under Federation law to remain silent, according to the Drumhead.

But planets can vary in their individual justice systems to some extent. Substitute Vulcan and death by meditation and fasting, or Andor and death by ice-mining-tool stabbing, if it makes it easier to understand.

 

[Sarcastic Vulcan Salute]

Ransom being bootleg Riker got another boost with episode 4. His playing acoustic guitar as part of his birthday celebration has to be a nod to Riker playing trombone in general, and at least one specific time, in celebration of his birthday in "Future Imperfect."

The line about there not being any penisula as sensual...as the Iberian might not have a direct corresponding line, but it was a total Riker-esque flirt.

 

[NCC-73515]

Episode 5 clip:

There's a Phylosian on the ship
Barb was trapped in 1920s Chicago