On what is this based?
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Probably the fact that attaining Kolinahr is always stated to involve "ordeals" or the like, and there are special "monasteries" and stated failures such as Spock and Tuvok. If it were a majority thing, these descriptions would be out of place.
Whether the minority involved is "tiny" or not, no telling. Spock and Tuvok flunking it need not indicate much, as one would be biologically disadvantaged and the other was never established not to be a retard by Vulcan terms.
Timo Saloniemi
Whether the minority involved is "tiny" or not, no telling. Spock and Tuvok flunking it need not indicate much, as one would be biologically disadvantaged and the other was never established not to be a retard by Vulcan terms.
Timo Saloniemi
Kolinahr is only attempted by a small fraction of Vulcans. Most are not interested and could not meet the entrance requirements. Also I presume there are a few number of high masters devoted to guiding acolytes.
Or it is a very common right of passage rite most Vulcans undergo at some point of their life.
Spock is obviously a special case, but was it stated that Tuvok never completed his Kolinahr? Sure, he postponed his studies to start a family, but was it stated he never completed it later? In any case, his daughter attained Kolinahr, and apparently at quite young age.
I highly doubt that a Kolinahr adept, who had completed all training, would serve in Starfleet. (Besides, we've seen Tuvok get emotional before, so obviously he hasn't purged it all...)
Kolinahr is indeed a discipline that only a tiny fraction of the Vulcan population ever attains. It's only for the most absolutely dedicated among them. Normal Vulcan adulthood doesn't go anywhere near that level.
Kolinahr is indeed a discipline that only a tiny fraction of the Vulcan population ever attains. It's only for the most absolutely dedicated among them. Normal Vulcan adulthood doesn't go anywhere near that level.
Burnham mentioned a trip to Erindani-somethingorother in the Vulcan flashbacks, which may be the first time Vulcan's star (40 Eridani, according to countless non-canon sources) has been referenced in canon.
Amanda mentioned a journey to a moon of 'Eridani D'
But letters normally refer to stars, not planets.
There was a star map in ENT that was barely readable in HD that has Vulcan as 40 Eridani.
In fact said map was from the 2002 Starcharts book.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/40_Eridani_A
http://startrekpropcollector.com/trekauctions/image.pl?af12679c783a2a511c0b29e917198dfa
Repeating this over and over without any sources won't make it any more credible. I mean it could be so, but it is not actually stated anywhere.
We really do not know what Kolinahr actually does beyond a singe sentence description, so it is hard assess how it would affect individual's behaviour, or even how total and complete the effect is.
Kolinahr is described on screen as "through which all emotion is finally shed."
It's also been said (many times) that Vulcans still have emotions - they just repress them.
So you do the math.
It's also been said (many times) that Vulcans still have emotions - they just repress them.
So you do the math.
In modern notation, planets would lowercase letters. Vulcan might be 40 Eridani Ab
40 Eridani became the De facto system after an old Roddenberry memo. Enterprise cited it as about 16 LY from Earth.
40 Eridani became the De facto system after an old Roddenberry memo. Enterprise cited it as about 16 LY from Earth.
Except when they don't:
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Kirk: Dr. Dehner feels he isn't that dangerous! What makes you right and a trained psychiatrist wrong?
Spock: Because she feels. I don't. All I know is logic. We'll be lucky to repair this ship and get away in time.
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Mr. Spock: Interesting. You Earth people glorify organized violence for 40 centuries, but you imprison those who employ it privately.
Dr. McCoy: And, of course, your people found an answer?
Mr. Spock: We disposed of emotion, Doctor. Where there is no emotion, there is no motive for violence.
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You can say that Spock is exaggerating when he says those things, but then the same can apply to the description of Kolinahr.
Sorry if the link doesn't work, i have no idea how to add pictures to this thing. I have taken a screenshot from the mess hall scene, if it is the same person she doesn't look to be a Denobulan to me.
Hope this helps anyone.https://imgur.com/a/ttYZm
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When Kolinahr is described (in TMP), there are only Vulcans present, so there'd be no need for exaggeration then.
The Spock/McCoy dynamic, OTOH, has always been full of it.
Besides, if you take WNMHGB as gospel, then how do you explain a supposedly emotionless being saying something like "We'll be lucky..."?
And of course at the end of the episode, Spock admits that he felt for Mitchell as well.
Besides, if you take WNMHGB as gospel, then how do you explain a supposedly emotionless being saying something like "We'll be lucky..."?
And James R. Kirk....
But to be honest, Spock is just proving that he's a Vulcan wannabe. When he says "we" disposed of emotion, he means pure Vulcans. As much as he'd like, he can't lump himself into that category, as his final line suggests.
Spock is really BSing everyone, and hopes that no one knows too much about Vulcans, else the gig is up.
Because that's the only way to be sure?
In any case, my point was that there actually is no canon evidence on how common Kolinahr is.
It was also said that the attainment of Kolinahr is what saved the Vulcans, plying it's pretty common.
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