Bah, beat me to it.
Easiest way to bring Kirk back...
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Bah, beat me to it.
And if all existing continuity is left in place, it means Kirk, whoever plays him, will one day die horribly in the 24th century, leaving Picard with the scepter of Enterprise captaincy.
I still say it was better when we didn't KNOW when any of the characters died. We need to bring older Kirk back, for the simple reason that we want the last glimpse of him being a "ride off into the sunset".
Him being under a pile of rocks with Picard putting his delta badge on the top just doesn't cut it.
number6
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It's a non issue. Shatner doesn't need to be in this film. He passed the torch in Generations and his character dies in the film. That's the end of it. Trying to bring him back solely to please a handful of discontented Trek purists would be an utter wankfest and as unwatchable as a fan film shot on a handycam in the toolshed out back.
No it isn't.
Not if it was done right.
By the way, did you personally count how many Trek fans would like to see Kirk brought back, as opposed to how many are satisfied with how things are?
I don't think so.
Please don't deny us the right to want him brought back, just because YOU personally don't care.
Seems to me yours is simply a whole 'nother type of "wankfest".
Not my favorite thing, not what I would have chosen for Kirk's end. I would have taken my cues for that from Trek V where the subject is brought up - but I guess in effect Kirk did "Die Alone". At the same time there are many things that I would have done differently in all of Star Trek were it my choice do so.
I've long ago come to terms with Kirk's whisper of an ending. We all die after all - even Spock will once more pass his Katra on or maybe he'll pick a more human end for himself allowing his Katra to "go out there, that way..." Perhaps that will be answered?
Granted Picard isn't my favorite captain... this isn't a bad thing though I'm told he was rather popular by people around this place.
We all still might get Shatner as Kirk. We'll see.
Sharr
"We?" You got a mouse in your pocket, son?
number6
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It is for people who aren't hardcore TOS purists.
Yeah but that's the problem. You ask a bunch of people who actually want Shatner in this film and you'll get a bunch of half baked notions of what "done right" means and they'll all be pretty stupid and needlessly convoluted ideas.
That's precisely what the writers of this film seem to want to avoid.
That's hardly the point. My point is the obsessive expectation on behalf of the fans that it is somehow Abrams and Co's exclusive duty and responsability to somehow go back and "fix" Generations because Kirk dies (a plot point written by the endlessly lionized nuBSG creator Ron Moore). My POINT is that Abrams and Co shouldn't need to do that to make a good Star Trek film. They should start fresh and do the story they want to tell which, like it or not, involves Nimoy and not Shatner. This makes sense to people who promise to honour the continuity of the Trek universe. Devoting a film to please a few chronic malcontents who want Shatner in the film by hook or by crook doesn't make good business sense for those who want to actually recharge the fanbase.
Hardly. It's just being a little more realistic about the expectations of this film, which clearly some people will never be.
Please, leave Shatner out of this movie. He can't play an effective Kirk anymore, and hasn't on over 25 years. Not to mention the plot requirements for such a return.
He's dead; twas a silly death, but he's dead nonetheless.
He's dead; twas a silly death, but he's dead nonetheless.
Is that kinda like a "pocket Kirk"?
Back to the original post though... Kirk is being brought back. Everyone's glad Kirk's being brought back...
Just as a mid 20's young officer portrayed by Chris Pine
Did you perhaps mean "Easiest way to bring Shatner back?"
That's simple. Old Spock can carry a photo of Spock, Kirk and McCoy around STV, smiling around a campfire enjoying beans and the special flavoring...As Nero's evil plan unfolds... Spock looks at the photo and notices that KIRK FADES AWAY!!!
Until Old Spock teaches Young Spock to play the guitar just right, kiss Leila Kalomi, and keep Pike from dying prematurely on the Enterprise, etc. etc. etc. Then Kirk fades back into existence... but...
he now weighs 20 pounds less, is in great shape, has just written his first novel "Some Sort of Star Track", and Biff's waxing the DeLorean...
Time travel movies just are too easy...
...is to go read all those Kirk novels written by Shatner and the Reeves-Stevenses where he comes back to life and roams around the 24th century.
Superman
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Wow, some of you really do take yourselves and your opinions way too seriously.
I have never seen such vitriol towards a person and an idea on these boards than I have in this thread.
If you don't want Kirk back (let me clarify for the snobs here, OLD KIRK) then simply say so and move on.
Instead, some folks have painted those of us who want Shatner in the film as stupid moron "purists" who simply aren't "evolved" or "intelligent" enough to see the small opinions of other people.
I think a number of you need to take a hard look at why you cling so dearly to having to be right and putting down any opinion which diverges from your own.
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I have never seen such vitriol towards a person and an idea on these boards than I have in this thread.
If you don't want Kirk back (let me clarify for the snobs here, OLD KIRK) then simply say so and move on.
Instead, some folks have painted those of us who want Shatner in the film as stupid moron "purists" who simply aren't "evolved" or "intelligent" enough to see the small opinions of other people.
I think a number of you need to take a hard look at why you cling so dearly to having to be right and putting down any opinion which diverges from your own.
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number6
Vice Admiral
I don't think anyone's calling anyone a moron or questioning anyone's intelligence.
This is a discussion board. We are here to discuss this topic you started. If you don't want a discussion then maybe it's you who should move on and stop wasting everyone's time getting your knickers in such a twist.
This is a discussion board. We are here to discuss this topic you started. If you don't want a discussion then maybe it's you who should move on and stop wasting everyone's time getting your knickers in such a twist.
Guys can we please dial the level of animosity back to medium? I get scared when the dial accidentally gets bumped to flame broil.
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