Unless one is obsessive about minutiae, the effect on quality is negligible. TOS was not great in spite of playing fast and loose with details, it was great without regard to such trivia.
Earth to Vulcan in 30 minutes - a possible solution?
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Unless one is obsessive about minutiae, the effect on quality is negligible. TOS was not great in spite of playing fast and loose with details, it was great without regard to such trivia.
"Screws ups" or the folks in charge realizing that it really wouldn't make that much a difference except to the few who get worked up over such things.
it isnt that they didnt care.
but that telling the story was more important then some small technical matter that 94 percent of the audience didnt care about.
heck if people have that kind of issues with technical stuff then they should reject trek out right due to crazy stuff like warp drive, transporters and especially seemingly out right ignoring time dilation while traveling at high impulse speeds.
As enjoyable as the film is, I can't help having serious trouble getting my head around all the plot holes in it. It's been stated that Starfleet in this universe uses advanced future technology derived from scans the Kelvin made of the Narada; this is apparently supposed to explain the wildly different look of the starships. Well then how come Starfleet still gets it ass handed to it by Nero, shouldn't they be more on a par with him now? (A similar thing applies to the Klingons. They allegedly had Nero and the Narada captive for 25 years with plenty of time to study it and duplicate its tech, but somehow they were still defenceless when Nero escaped and attacked them with it?) And suddenly people need to be totally motionless in order to be beamed up, when according to Enterprise they got round this problem over a century ago. Yeah, I know the real reason is that the producers wanted to do their own thing and basically said sod continuity, but a believable, in-universe explanation?
I've been wondering if these issues will be addressed at all in any of the nuTrek novels due next year. We know Christopher L. Bennett will be writing one, and he seems to have a good grasp of consistency and believability.
I've been wondering if these issues will be addressed at all in any of the nuTrek novels due next year. We know Christopher L. Bennett will be writing one, and he seems to have a good grasp of consistency and believability.
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Wouldn't be the first time TrekLits "answers" were overwriten by a movie or episode.
Speaking realistically and with respect to wider Trek lore, nothing that happens after Kirk's trial could have happened the way it's shown. We've discussed the awkwardness of them getting from Earth to Vulcan in what couldn't have been more than 30 minutes at the most, but what about the journey back? Spock dumps Kirk off on Delta Vega (still a bloody stupid thing to call the planet) and then proceeds to the Laurentian system at warp factor 4. Assuming the Laurentian system is far away from the Vulcan sector, it's going to take the Enterprise a heck of a long time to get there, during which time the rest of the Federation fleet will probably fly past them.
Kirk wanders round for a while on Delta Vega before he runs into Spock Prime, then there's another passage of time before they meet Scotty and beam onto the Enterprise. Kirk assumes command, and then presumably orders the Enterprise to change course and head for Earth. Later Sulu informs Kirk that the Narada will arrive at Earth eight minutes ahead of them. Now the Narada had been at warp and heading for the Sol sector well before Enterprise and has a considerable headstart, so I should think Nero would have beaten the Enterprise by a bit more than a couple of minutes, unless during the voyage Scotty managed to upgrade the engines so that they went a little bit faster than the Narada, which I doubt is within even Scotty's capabilities. And we know Nero couldn't have taken the warp highway, otherwise he most likely would've already reached Earth and destroyed it by the time Kirk got back on board the Enterprise. And we still have the problem of why, despite its super-advanced technology, Starfleet is still no match for Nero. If all this new tech was designed with something like the Narada in mind (and especially if it was partially derived from it), you'd think they would do a better job. Ye god, what a shambles!!
Kirk wanders round for a while on Delta Vega before he runs into Spock Prime, then there's another passage of time before they meet Scotty and beam onto the Enterprise. Kirk assumes command, and then presumably orders the Enterprise to change course and head for Earth. Later Sulu informs Kirk that the Narada will arrive at Earth eight minutes ahead of them. Now the Narada had been at warp and heading for the Sol sector well before Enterprise and has a considerable headstart, so I should think Nero would have beaten the Enterprise by a bit more than a couple of minutes, unless during the voyage Scotty managed to upgrade the engines so that they went a little bit faster than the Narada, which I doubt is within even Scotty's capabilities. And we know Nero couldn't have taken the warp highway, otherwise he most likely would've already reached Earth and destroyed it by the time Kirk got back on board the Enterprise. And we still have the problem of why, despite its super-advanced technology, Starfleet is still no match for Nero. If all this new tech was designed with something like the Narada in mind (and especially if it was partially derived from it), you'd think they would do a better job. Ye god, what a shambles!!
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^^What Super advanced technology for the Federation (though I do agree, that if the Klingons did have possession of the Narada they should have managed to learn something from it).
Besides the ships traveling faster then it should, which pisses me off, but it is a mistake that every single series and many of the films have gotten wrong (from ships either going to slow at high warp or two fast at high warp).
What other examples of more advanced technology are there. Sure their are different designs,but that doesn't mean more advanced technology. Actually in truth we didn't see anything (in my eyes of course) that we haven't seen in other TOS era trek (at least up to the films certainly, and that including the time it took to get to Vulcan).
Besides the ships traveling faster then it should, which pisses me off, but it is a mistake that every single series and many of the films have gotten wrong (from ships either going to slow at high warp or two fast at high warp).
What other examples of more advanced technology are there. Sure their are different designs,but that doesn't mean more advanced technology. Actually in truth we didn't see anything (in my eyes of course) that we haven't seen in other TOS era trek (at least up to the films certainly, and that including the time it took to get to Vulcan).
The U.S.S. Defiant in the Primeverse was designed to take on the Borg; it was still defeated in Star Trek: First Contact. Having technology that's more advanced does not mean that it's going to equal the threat it was designed for.
ENT always portrayed transporting as being much quicker and easier than TOS did even though ENT took place 90 years before TOS; the fault lies with ENT, not ST09.
If it bothers you that much, just pretend that they've added some new feature to transporters by the TOS era that makes transport more reliable but takes longer.
Who cares? It makes for a better story to have teleportation be harder. That matters more than continuity of minutiae like, "How come they could move then but not now?"
You have to remember this isn't the same technology from TOS. Because of the scans taken of the Narada by the survivors, Federation technology had a large jump, so the Warp scale would probably be more close to TNG than TOS. So a journey of less than an hour to Vulcan is plausible.
You don't need to rationalize it, its simply dramatic license, just like other treks have used to get the story moving faster.
No. The only time that was an issue in the movie was when they were beaming up from Vulcan, which, if you remember, was when the planet was turning into a black hole. Presumably, that is why they needed to stand still because of other external forces.
Other times in the movie, they didn't need to be still, most notably when Scotty beams Spock away from the Jellyfish as he is zooming across space towards Nero's ship.
Decontamination filters?
they didnt have to be totally still in tos..
in mudd's women mudd's ship was drifting through an asteriod field.
in galileo seven the shuttle was falling back to the planet and breaking up. something in a way similar to what was done with kirk and sulu in the movie.
and both of these from the early part of the first season of tos.
and that is just part of them..
so while the standing in position made a nice dramatic moment evidently it wasnt actually needed to make a lock.
in mudd's women mudd's ship was drifting through an asteriod field.
in galileo seven the shuttle was falling back to the planet and breaking up. something in a way similar to what was done with kirk and sulu in the movie.
and both of these from the early part of the first season of tos.
and that is just part of them..
so while the standing in position made a nice dramatic moment evidently it wasnt actually needed to make a lock.
I'm sure that's what one of the writers has said in an interview somewhere.
You have an irresolvable contradiction right there. No need to continue.
Stated nowhere in the film. Nothing else counts.
Exactly so. Caring about that kind of stuff does not make some segment of the audience "smart," and letting it alone does not make the movie "dumb."
Superbrain Chekov needed to invent a method to beaming them in motion in the last second.
And they weren't able to transport Spock's mother because she was falling.
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