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Each Season's Worst; TNG

1 The Naked now
2 The Icarus Factor
3 The Vengeance Factor
4 Suddenly Human
5 The Innerlight- the most over rated episode of Trek!
6 Lessons
7 Masks/Emergence are a tie. Both equally uninspired, paint by numbers script with no sci fi element and bad character stories. If I had to absolutely choose I'd say Masks. At least Emergence was interesting to look at visually.

I enjoyed menagw a Trois. Maybe cos I'm a fan of the Troi's. I also really liked Rascals, despite the way the ship was so easily overcome by Ferengi. It was sweet and cute to see the crew as kids. But they should have made a mini worf to interact with Alexander.
 
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1 Code of Honor (So many to choose from. Justice is one of the most cringe-inducing, "Angel One" is dated [though I actually find that B-plot on the ship more cringe-inducing than the A-plot, except for some of the costumes], "Haven" for introducing Lwaxana Troi [since she was married to Star Trek's creator, she was imposed on the viewers, most egregiously in DS9. 3 of the worst episodes ever]... not to mention that singing box, "Symbosis" for almost coming off blatantly as the government-mandated "Just Say No" episode, but "Code of Honor" takes it for having a plot 40 years old even by 1987 standards and the backstory we all know about)

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2 The Outrageous Okona ("Shades of Gray" is easy to beat up on. Clip shows have become the bane of viewers, though it was a common strategy back then for a cheap show. But, despite that, the writers know how to make bottle shows so they should have come up with something. Or use edited scenes and alternate possibilities. That would make a great clip show. Alas, it takes advance planning to film alternate scenes every few eps.

- And "The Royale", I actually find decent, if a little dated [maybe back to the '50s, Mr. Lucky, Untouchables, etc].
- "Manhunt" had crummy, long treaded and retreaded A & B stories... and the mandatory "I want to see my wife on tv and I'm the producer so what I say goes!".

UTLL is half decent [the cloning story], half utter garbage. The 19th century Irish villagers were horrible. And worse yet, they would revisit the stereotype in Voyager. The sum of its parts are still worse than "Shades of Gray", which is only bad in that it is a mediocre plot [some points for the killer vine] that is 60, 70, whatever % recycled ["Star Trek is going green next week! We're saving the environment by recycling some of our footage"]. But, the sum of UTLL is still greater than "The Outrageous Okona".

Star Trek meets Jerry Springer. Awful. What were they thinking? I read they wanted Harry Mudd in stasis for the original The "Neutral Zone" cryostasis story, but sadly, Roger Carmel died in 1986, but this dirtbag lacks any of the personality or style Mudd had [Why was there no Season 3 Mudd episode in TOS?]. His story is awful and you wish the moment he appeared in the episode, Okona would be given the Remmick a la "Conspiracy" treatment or maybe blown out the airlock if they couldn't pull that trick twice. The B-story was equally bad. A + B =/= Zzzzz, instead equals a sound of a stomach heaving that could not be replicated by one letter)


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3 torn between Menage a Troi and Hollow Pursuits (I didn't care much for "The Bonding" and "Transfigurations" was kind of a generic, lame story that fell flat, but these 2 were bad.

A Lwaxana episode + TNG Ferengi. "The Price", "Rascals", "The Battle", even "Last Outpost" handled them better [DS9 should have still fleshed out why they had Marauders and how they fit into their purely mercantile culture. Did the show even reference those ships?]. "Menage a Troi" is another pretentious story that seems like its plot could have been molded to fit any show on the air in 1990.

"Hollow Pursuits". The crew treating Barclay like they were kids [broccoli, ugh]. He came off as an anachronism, clearly a very mentally ill man, beyond socially inept [Asbergers? Definately hints of rain man]. Also a holodeck episode and we are subject to his uncomfortable fantasies [though "Pathfinder" was worse. His only appearance on VOY should have been "Projections"]. If the episode were commentary on the lack of quality of fanfiction, of fanfic writers' obsession with shipping and Mary Suing characters and inserting them/their favorite character into the show, it would have been decent, if hard to pull off, but we are left with VOY "Muse" being *the* episode about writing. Barclay was a good supporting character for TNG, basically an amplified Geordi [see below], but this was a terrible introduction.)


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4 Galaxy's Child (Qpid is a close 2nd for me but I have to choose this episode. The whole Geordi- Leah Brahms story was downright uncomfortable. Geordi came off as kind of a weirdo between the S3 ep, this ep, and "Aquiel". He seemed to be a cold person that was a great engineer, but totally sucked with interpersonal skills. Basically, he comes close to playing a stalker in this episode. I wonder how women/girls interpreted this episode back then.

- "Clues" is actually a really nice episode. The Host's concept was rather uncomfortable.
- "Suddenly Human" is close with a Saved by the Bell Zack knockoff being raised by space wolves. Were teenage stories supposed to appeal to kids/teens? They never did to me or my peers ("Hero Worship" is better than "Suddenly Human" though). And we all hated Wesley too, finding him an obnoxious dork imposed on everyone. Oh yeah, the "Dauphin" sucked too as a kid [though "The Arsenal of Freedom" was cool])

One comment here...
"Final Mission". Did anyone else wonder what the heck Riker was doing and think he should have been court martialed for putting over 1000 lives in danger. "Let's see, 2 pressing situations at once... if only we could be in two places. No, we can't split the ship. Hey wait a minute, we can!". The saucer could have gone after Picard while the stardrive could have dealt with the freighter seeing as it had the engines & tractor beam. Yeah, the writers and script fact-checkers really messed up that one.


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5 Imaginary Friend (I was in grade school when it aired and even I found it lame. For a show aimed at kids, like Free Willy, it was seen as lame and aimed at a much younger audience, like maybe 6 or 7 and under. The powerful force incarnating as a child that just doesn't understand the culture... ugh. Suspiria was a better concept.

- "The Masterpiece Society" is a decent story on its own, actually one of the tighter scripts in Season 5.
- "The Game" was a fun episode when it came out, Lefler was a cool character, and the premise was handled well, the everyone is taken over [DS9 did it better with "Whispers" though].
- "The Inner Light" was a beautiful episode, but I will admit, it could come off as another series' script being shoehorned into TNG.
- "The Perfect Mate"'s story is a bit crappy, but "Cost of Living" is a close 2nd for worst episode of the season)


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6 A Fistful of Datas (Hey, let's xerox Data and put him in an old Wild West setting! Who thought this would be a good idea? Maybe people who were kids who grew up watching Westerns. Westerns were on their way out in the '70s, this was 20 years after Bonanza ended, 17 after Gunsmoke ended. TOS could do it with "Spectre of the Gun" because the '60s had many Westerns. And it was a holodeck malfunction episode too, the first big one. "The Big Goodbye" can get a pass, Data vs. Moriarty was ok, but should have been left to Masterpiece Theatre. Holodeck episodes would become the bane of Voyager [well, "Projections" & "Worst Case Scenario" were decent to good].

- "Rascals" I didn't care for, even as a kid, but it wasn't as cringeworthy as "Imaginary Child" and some of the writing for it was decent [individual story, Ferengis with Klingon birds of prey], and it was interesting to use 3/4 as supporting characters, but O'Brien- kid Keiko was downright creepy.
- "Ship in the Bottle" is a nice puzzle episode, the nesting doll sort of situation.
- "Aquiel" wasn't bad, though the murder mystery on some outpost investigation was a little strange [Murder She Wrote in space and the murderer is a coalescent metamorph]. It being the dog was kind of cool)


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7 Sub Rosa (Let me pass through the array of the usual suspects first.

- "Masks" was actually a kind of cool episode. The idea of the ancient civilization relic inside the comet, recreating it on the ship, all the long gone people being manifest through Data. VOY "Infinite Regress" managed to do some decent stuff with the recycled story [but it still would have been nice to have a non-recycled story, but it was not even a fraction as bad as ENT "Shadow Play" "Oasis" and "One" Doctor's Orders"].

- "Genesis" was a fun episode. Yeah, anything touching evolution they screw up [hello "Threshold", which would have been much better received had they subtituted every use of evolution with transformation. It came off as VOY's "Identity Crisis", only the Doctor glitched up and somehow thought it was evolution. Nice concept though, I liked that he didn't evolve into some big brained, 6 fingered intellectual dressing in white robes and using telepathy and condescension. Transwarp salamanders, ha ha ha, awesome].

As for some of other people's hated episodes...
- "Dark Page" was decent, probably the most bearable of Lwaxana's TNG appearances. Nothing cringeworthy about it.
- "Force of Nature" has all the subtlety of a club though back then, it came off as environmentally conscious... before everyone forgot what green was and started driving SUVs and blew exhaust in Captain Planet's face and before NBC did its big go green push to sell GE's new lightbulbs [PSA: "Every time you buy an energy efficient lightbulb, you help GE's bottom line. Remember, look for the GE symbol." Cue 4 note sound and flying star with The More You Know].
- Oh yeah, "Emergence", damn, 3 episodes from the end, we almost made it without another holodeck episode. Crappy story, but a few decent events.

"Lower Decks" is overrated. It's a nice episode, but people treat it like it's the best Trek episode ever. It's basically a gimmick concept, the ensign's/redshirt's POV but it's built into be something profound that people demand more of. It's like the people that shouted darker, no darker and still want things darker than new BSG and the like.

Onto, "Sub Rosa". Ok, a Beverly episode and a romantic story, there's nothing wrong there, but once again, comes off like another series' script. I like the old Gothic genre, but it doesn't mix well with Star Trek, particularly post TOS (on TOS, it would have been a succubus and Kirk). It's also so cringeworthy. All it needs is that "Secret Lover" song playing throughout it. The candle, some of those scenes... ugh. Memory Alpha says it was written for the female audience and many women who worked on the cast/production really liked it. How did female viewers think of it?
 
Onto, "Sub Rosa". Ok, a Beverly episode and a romantic story, there's nothing wrong there, but once again, comes off like another series' script. I like the old Gothic genre, but it doesn't mix well with Star Trek, particularly post TOS (on TOS, it would have been a succubus and Kirk). It's also so cringeworthy. All it needs is that "Secret Lover" song playing throughout it. The candle, some of those scenes... ugh. Memory Alpha says it was written for the female audience and many women who worked on the cast/production really liked it. How did female viewers think of it?
Sub Rosa wasn't great, but it wasn't something that bothered me in particular, either. Just another one of Star Trek's quirkier episodes. I've never quite understood why people make such a big deal about it. Sure, it wasn't a standard Trek episode, but neither were a bunch of others on all Trek shows, where Trek did film noir, Western, farce, murder mystery, World War 2 movie, 1950s monster B-movie, gangster movie, James Bond parody, and so on. So what if they did one such with a Gothic romance. The corny cliche 'Gothic' lines and scenes are no more corny than the cliche WW2 movie lines in "The Killing Game", or film noir lines in TNG holodeck episodes, or Western lines in "North Star" etc. With 20+ episodes a season, it's understandable that they'll try to do something not very SF once in a while (and re-use Paramount sets & save budget).

The same can be said for Masks, but I found that episode far worse because the plot was so incoherent I couldn't figure out what the heck was going on... and it was very tedious watching Spiner shout about "Masaka" for 20 minutes.
 
^^^ Yeah, "Sub Rosa" is actually quite funny if you look at it the right way. It's clearly meant to be a comedy. By the time granny sits up in her coffin, it's pretty clear that no one's taking this seriously.

"Masks," on the other hand, is just lame. But thinking about "Masaka," I'm now hungry for moussaka. Fair trade.
 
I think I'm going to add to my list, of some of TNG's worst, now that I have the 'Star Trek Encyclopedia' in front of me.

Mind you, some of these are the ones I recall watching, as I haven't actually seen all of the TNG episodes. Some of these are ones that I sat through, years ago:

SEASON ONE:

*Angel One-What could have been a good female empowered episode, is ruined with females who 'just need love' and a man's attention to break down their barriers....

*We'll Always Have Paris-A boring Picard episode...

SEASON TWO:

*The Child

*Where Silence Has Lease

*The Outrageous Okona-Horrible episode; the only good thing is seeing Rosalind Ingledew, who would become Rosalind Allen...

*Pen Pals-A corny Data episode

*Shades of Grey-Thumbs down...

SEASON THREE:

*A Matter of Perspective-My perspective was that I just wasted an hour...!

*Sins of the Father-I recall the actor Chad Allen and him playing some music that was supposed to be some futuristic version of rock (which severely dates this episode)....

I recall not liking Chad Allen's character, or the episode...

*Captain's Holiday-Silly Picard episode...which is basically a lot of running around for an hour.


SEASON FOUR:

*Data's Day-Oh, God.....another corny Data episode...

He actually has a good one this season, looking at the book: Brothers...(when Lore makes an appearance).

*Qpid-Silly....

Come on, now...

SEASON FIVE:

*Darmok-Let's see, they speak in metaphors, right? How is this for a description: 'Lots of corn in show about space travelers!'

Yeah, that was bad...like this silly episode.

*The Game-This could have been good. A big ship with over a 1, 000 people; a computer that can track anyone...and yet they can't find two people who have evaded 'the game'...

The only good thing about this episode: Nurse Ogawa making orgasmic sounds in the elevator while she plays....'the game.'

*Hero Worship-Ehhh, I'll pass....

*The Perfect Mate-Not worth the time....

*I, Borg-A corny Borg episode....

*The Inner Light-No thank you. Point that light somewhere else....

SEASON SIX:

*A Fistful of Datas-Another silly Data episode.....

The only good part: Cowgirl Troi working those leather pants...

SEASON SEVEN

*Phantasms-I recall this episode being weird, and being padded for an hour....

*Genesis-Another episode that was just weird. It could have been good, but it just came off as...weird.


I'm sure there are more episodes that are below par, but these come to mind. I'll update it again soon, when I'm in the mood....
 
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*Sins of the Father-I recall the actor Chad Allen and him playing some music that was supposed to be some futuristic version of rock (which severely dates this episode)....

I recall not liking Chad Allen's character, or the episode...

I believe you're thinking of Season 4's "Suddenly Human".

I pair that one with S4's "Half a Life". Both used this formula:

A. Pose a moral/ethical problem,
B. Talk and talk and talk,
C. Settle on the status quo.

What the hell did I just sit through? :rolleyes:
 
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*Sins of the Father-I recall the actor Chad Allen and him playing some music that was supposed to be some futuristic version of rock (which severely dates this episode)....

I recall not liking Chad Allen's character, or the episode...

I believe you're thinking of Season 4's "Suddenly Human".

I pair that one with S4's "Half a Life". Both used this formula:

A. Pose a moral/ethical problem,
B. Talk and talk and talk,
C. Settle on the status quo.

What the hell did I just sit through? :rolleyes:
Yep, that's "Suddenly Human"... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0020354/

"Sins of the Father" is a great Worf-centric/Klingon episode written by Ron Moore, which has a more realistic portrayal of Klingon society than what we've seen before on TNG ("honor" takes a back seat to political reasons), introduces Kurn, K'mpec and Duras and begins the storyline about Worf losing and getting back his family's good name and about the struggles for power in the Klingon Empire (which would continue in the later seasons of TNG and even into DS9 with Gowron).

*Angel One-What could have been a good female empowered episode, is ruined with females who 'just need love' and a man's attention to break down their barriers....
The whole "empowered females" thing was ridiculous from the word go, since the writers just switched male/female roles 180 degrees and implied that the females in that society are dominant because they are bigger and stronger and because they are the hunters, while the men are small, skinny and boyish looking. A ridiculously stupid and absurd idea - that physical strength is what determines the balance of power in a society. If that were the case, I wonder why the most powerful men in our society are typically older, often less than fit males who sit somewhere making decisions rather than the younger, fitter guys or the musclemen or athletes. :rolleyes: Also, why the hell would hunters necessarily have most power in a society? An extremely clumsy treatment of gender issues that has the unfortunate implication - which the writers certainly didn't intend - that it's "natural" for women in our society to be less powerful, since they are smaller and physically weaker on average.

With such a premise, if naturally follows that the female leader just needs a big, strong, macho man like Riker (as opposed to the small androgynous wimps we see in her service) to come over and show her the error of her ways... :rolleyes:
 
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Season 1:
"When the Bough Breaks": With a season having many poor entries, this one is particularly dire and unwatchable. It pretty much rests its strengths on its child actors, and between their performances and a dismal script it falls far short of the series average.

Season 2:
"Up the Long Ladder": ... yeah.

More later maybe.
The ethnic stereotyping is just unbelievably stupid and more offensive than Code of Honor, since this one was actually written that way. I can only imagine how Irish people might feel watching it. Every one of those Space Irish caricatures is ridiculous beyond belief.
It's my most hated episode of the entire franchise. It's a lot worse than the Voyager episodes for a number of reasons, not least of which the latter was a folsky fictionalized depiction of the past while this is, er, the best and brightest we sent to colonize space.

So, not a fan.

Next there's Riker killing his clone without hesitation, and this is treated like a perfectly OK thing. And this was supposedly meant as an abortion metaphor? :wtf: It makes no bloody sense.

I'll concede that bit is ballsy. Forget late term abortions, what about aborting even when it's not inside your body and already has an adopted home? As far as metaphors about the abortion debate goes, this one practically seems jury-rigged to favour the pro-life argument, so using it to stake one's case for choice is... well... blunt.
 
Yeah, "Sins of the Father" is a Klingon episode, and one of the best Klingon episodes out there. "Heart of Glory" was Season 1's attempt and was kind of bland, "A Matter of Honor" was Season 2's and was an interesting idea. "The Emissary" was also fairly good. You can see a pretty clear evolution of the TNG/VOY/DS9 era Klingon from TNG Season 1 (a reference to peace, but they still act rogueish) to Season 2 (they act more like standard TNG era Klingons) to Season 3 (we start to see some of their culture and traditions). "Sins of the Father" + "Reunion" are, if not the best, right near the top.


It's my most hated episode of the entire franchise. It's a lot worse than the Voyager episodes for a number of reasons, not least of which the latter was a folsky fictionalized depiction of the past while this is, er, the best and brightest we sent to colonize space.
"Fair Haven" and "Spirit Folk" are tripe and incredibly out of place, and were utter wastes of episodes. I'd rather have an episode of Kim walking around the ship, chatting it up with people, going down to the shuttlecraft rebuilding team (wasn't Ahni Jetal or Lynday Ballard on them?) and see how they're coming on the replacement shuttle, hang around the mess hall and maybe talk to the old black man in the blue uniform who's always there (until the Hirogen probably killed him. Yeah, he last appeared right before the Hirogen arc), do a little Captain Proton with Paris, visit the Delaney Sisters, and so on. Not narrated, just sort of an aimless wandering episode. Sealab 2021 did that once.

UTLL is bad because it is not just a stereotype, but a really bad stereotype, the filthy stupid Irish stereotype. The equivalent would be having some stereotyped Japanese and depicting them like they were in the 1940s, with yellow face paint, thick glasses, and with fang-like teeth, not to mention very dumb and troll-like.



*Angel One-What could have been a good female empowered episode, is ruined with females who 'just need love' and a man's attention to break down their barriers....
Yeah, it comes off as very chauvinistic and dated, but hey, look who was one of the top TNG people back then, the guy who sexually harrassed Gates McFadden (was he the one who was also an old friend of Roddenberry?). Not exactly a fair working environment.

*We'll Always Have Paris-A boring Picard episode...
Boring? That was one of the better Season 1 episodes. The time distortions were kind of cool. The Picard part was a bit slow and cliched (the whole captain married to their ship/job, thus having no time for a spouse thing).


*Where Silence Has Lease
This was actually one of the creepier TNG eps. In a season filled with weak episodes, this is obviously stronger than "The Child", "The Outrageous Okona", "Up the Long Ladder", "Manhunt", "Shades of Gray" and even other eps like "The Royale".

*Captain's Holiday-Silly Picard episode...which is basically a lot of running around for an hour.
Actually one of the best "Beach episodes" (look the term up), though by actual quality is just an average episode. As a kid, the aliens from the future and the artifact were kind of cool (Vorgon, the Tox Uhat or whatever it was), though as an adult, I can see the flaws (the Vorgons should have gone back further in time before the events of the episode transpired once they learned about the details of the location). It's plot is a standard noir plot, the P.I. (Picard), the femme fatale (Vash) and the villainous hoods (the Vorgons) and the cash/jewels/evidence/etc they'e after (the Tox Uhat).



*Data's Day-Oh, God.....another corny Data episode.
I'd actually agree with this. The serious part of the episode (Romulan story) was good, but the whole from-Data's-perspective was a total gimmick, just like "Lower Decks". Unfortunately, people fell for that character narrates an episode viewed from their point of view gimmick more often back then.



As for Season 5, Joel_Kirk, are you trying to be a contrarian or devil's advocate? "Darmok", "The Inner Light", and "I, Borg" get a lot of praise because a lot of people view them as good episodes and 2 seem to get broader recognition outside TNG viewers ("Darmok" in the field of linguistics and mythology and "The Inner Light", well, as a moving hour of tv). They are easily among the strongest episodes of Season 5. If they're crap, then what Season 5 episodes do you think are the best? Choose 3.



*Genesis-Another episode that was just weird. It could have been good, but it just came off as...weird.
It came off as less weird and more campy to me, like Voyager's "Threshold" and "Favorite Son".
 
UTLL is bad because it is not just a stereotype, but a really bad stereotype, the filthy stupid Irish stereotype. The equivalent would be having some stereotyped Japanese and depicting them like they were in the 1940s, with yellow face paint, thick glasses, and with fang-like teeth, not to mention very dumb and troll-like.

*Angel One-What could have been a good female empowered episode, is ruined with females who 'just need love' and a man's attention to break down their barriers....
Yeah, it comes off as very chauvinistic and dated, but hey, look who was one of the top TNG people back then, the guy who sexually harrassed Gates McFadden (was he the one who was also an old friend of Roddenberry?). Not exactly a fair working environment.
The same guy also did his best to drive out a writer from the show, among other things, by re-writing his script ("The Royale) and he was also the same guy who came up with the idea of making the dumb primitive folk of "Up the Long Ladder" Irish (because, believe it or not, he's an Irishman himself).

Melinda Snodgrass remarked, "It was intended to be a commentary about immigration, because I hate the current American policy. I wanted it to be something that says sometimes those outsiders you think are so smelly and wrong-colored, can bring enormous benefits to your society because they bring life and energy. That's what I was going for. Now my boss, at the time, was Maury Hurley, who is a major Irishman and leads the Saint Patrick's Day parade. When I was describing to him what I wanted to do, I was trying to come up with an analogy, and I said it was like a little village of Irish tinkerers, and he loved it so much he made me make them Irish tinkerers. I said okay, and that's how it came about." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages)
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Up_The_Long_Ladder_(episode)

On the plus side, he is also supposed to be the one who created the Borg:

As the writer of the episode "Q Who", Hurley was the creator of the Borg. Alongside Rob Bowman and Bowman's assistant he also provided the Voice of the Borg for this episode. He was also partly responsible for the introduction of Lore (having co-written the story for "Datalore") and the introduction of the Romulans in the Next Generation era (he wrote the teleplay for "The Neutral Zone").
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Maurice_Hurley
 
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*Sins of the Father-I recall the actor Chad Allen and him playing some music that was supposed to be some futuristic version of rock (which severely dates this episode)....

I recall not liking Chad Allen's character, or the episode...

I believe you're thinking of Season 4's "Suddenly Human".

I pair that one with S4's "Half a Life". Both used this formula:

A. Pose a moral/ethical problem,
B. Talk and talk and talk,
C. Settle on the status quo.

What the hell did I just sit through? :rolleyes:

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*Sins of the Father-I recall the actor Chad Allen and him playing some music that was supposed to be some futuristic version of rock (which severely dates this episode)....

I recall not liking Chad Allen's character, or the episode...

I believe you're thinking of Season 4's "Suddenly Human".

I pair that one with S4's "Half a Life". Both used this formula:

A. Pose a moral/ethical problem,
B. Talk and talk and talk,
C. Settle on the status quo.

What the hell did I just sit through? :rolleyes:
Yep, that's "Suddenly Human"... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0020354/

"Sins of the Father" is a great Worf-centric/Klingon episode written by Ron Moore, which has a more realistic portrayal of Klingon society than what we've seen before on TNG ("honor" takes a back seat to political reasons), introduces Kurn, K'mpec and Duras and begins the storyline about Worf losing and getting back his family's good name and about the struggles for power in the Klingon Empire (which would continue in the later seasons of TNG and even into DS9 with Gowron).

*Angel One-What could have been a good female empowered episode, is ruined with females who 'just need love' and a man's attention to break down their barriers....
The whole "empowered females" thing was ridiculous from the word go, since the writers just switched male/female roles 180 degrees and implied that the females in that society are dominant because they are bigger and stronger and because they are the hunters, while the men are small, skinny and boyish looking. A ridiculously stupid and absurd idea - that physical strength is what determines the balance of power in a society. If that were the case, I wonder why the most powerful men in our society are typically older, often less than fit males who sit somewhere making decisions rather than the younger, fitter guys or the musclemen or athletes. :rolleyes: Also, why the hell would hunters necessarily have most power in a society? An extremely clumsy treatment of gender issues that has the unfortunate implication - which the writers certainly didn't intend - that it's "natural" for women in our society to be less powerful, since they are smaller and physically weaker on average.

With such a premise, if naturally follows that the female leader just needs a big, strong, macho man like Riker (as opposed to the small androgynous wimps we see in her service) to come over and show her the error of her ways... :rolleyes:

Thanks for the correction, guys....;)

And yes, I agree with you on that DevilEyes....;)

As for Season 5, Joel_Kirk, are you trying to be a contrarian or devil's advocate? "Darmok", "The Inner Light", and "I, Borg" get a lot of praise because a lot of people view them as good episodes and 2 seem to get broader recognition outside TNG viewers ("Darmok" in the field of linguistics and mythology and "The Inner Light", well, as a moving hour of tv). They are easily among the strongest episodes of Season 5. If they're crap, then what Season 5 episodes do you think are the best? Choose 3.

Nope. No Devil's Advocate here; I just didn't like (or rather, they--'Darmok' and 'Inner Light'--just don't appeal to me; they're boring, a little cheesy, as well as a little stiff).

Everyone has different tastes; people praise certain things that appeal to them.;)

On the other hand:

Those Season 5 episodes that did appeal to me?

*gets ST Encyclopedia*

1. 'Conundrum' was very interesting, I thought....(certain things could have been handled differently, but I liked the episode)...

2. 'Imaginary Friend' was interesting, but could have been better...

3. I like 'The Next Phase'...which focuses on LaForge and Ro...(and has this cute Ensign that shows up very quickly during the 10-Forward scene; an Ensign that previously appeared in 'Rascals.')

Too, it involves Romulans...(although, I dislike what TNG did in terms of the look of Romulans, they're featured in this episode nonetheless)...

Anywho...

I'm pretty sure they're more, but those come to mind...
 
I guess there's no accounting for taste. Plenty of people have liked what I hated, and I like what plenty of people hate.

Here's my picks for worst.

1. Conspiracy. WTF was up with that? No point, no development, no relevance. Just mealworms.
2. Shades of Gray. Its a clip episode, the lazy way to add one more onto the season.
3. Tin Man. Just plain didn't like it.
4. The Host. Just didn't seem as good as the others.
5. Violations. By now you've figured out that the episodes have all improved so much I no longer provide reasons.
6. Toss up between Rascals (I hate kids) and The Chase (too sentimental/corny)
7. Toss up between Journey's End and Interface. Too much Wesley Crusher/new age stuff and too much mindfuck.
 
1. 'Conundrum' was very interesting, I thought....(certain things could have been handled differently, but I liked the episode)...
This was a good episode, had an interesting concept. I liked their different interpretation of ranks/roles. Same with the inclusion of the plant. This episode doesn't get as much positive attention as it deserves.


3. I like 'The Next Phase'...which focuses on LaForge and Ro...(and has this cute Ensign that shows up very quickly during the 10-Forward scene; an Ensign that previously appeared in 'Rascals.')
You living life backwards like Kes was in "Before and After"? Because "Rascals" aired (and was produced) after "The Next Phase". I like this episode (I think the last segment of Season 5 was a very strong set of episodes).



1. Conspiracy. WTF was up with that? No point, no development, no relevance. Just mealworms.
Well, they did seed it in "Coming of Age". It was a creepy and powerful episode. I saw it last year again and it still struck me how shocking some of the things they did in that episode. The Remmick death was very graphic for Star trek. I saw it as a kid, though it didn't really phase me as I had seen many movies in the Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street series by then. Then what gets me now is the phaser fight with admirals in Starfleet HQ and how many admirals get killed there. Then there's Worf vs. the old admiral. It was definately one of the stranger fights from TNG. It seemed like a very daring episode. And like a classic horror film, sequels were left open in the end.

Oh, and per my revealing where the Troi "Phantasms" cake came from... the marshmallow peep insects used for the creatures here, they look similar to the creature from the 1959 Vincent Price flick The Tingler.

http://www.monstersinthebasement.com/2008/05/tingler-prop-replica.html
Look familiar?
http://davidstipes.com/blog/?p=167
Not 100%, but it looks similar and the tingler was a parasite that embedded itself in/around the host's spine.
 
1. Code of Honor
2. Shades of Gray
3. The Vengeance Factor
4. Identity Crisis
5. Imaginary Friend
6. Man of the People
7. Sub Rosa*

*I had several from this season but settled on the favorite.
 
4. Identity Crisis
I'm curious. Why do people hate this episode? Back in the '90s, it seemed to be a Season 4 favorite and every Trek fan I knew liked it (the unusual elements- the creatures/transformation idea, the blacklight costumes, the weird reconstruction on the holodeck).
 
Yeah I'm good with Identity Crisis too. Its pretty spooky, there's a nice clear threat coming at you for a long time but its still really suspenseful. And Leijten is a good guest star.
 
1. The Big Goodbye (Very boring holodeck episode)
2. Shades of Gray
3. Transfigurations
4. Suddenly Human
5. The Cost of Living
6. Aquiel
7. Journey's End (I watch Star Trek to contemplate futuristic problems, not modern ones.)
 
I want to change my season 2 pick to Up the Long Ladder, which I saw today after quite a while. I had completely forgotten about that episode, and there's a good reason why - I must have just blanked it out of my mind as one of the awful early TNG episodes. Shades of Grey may be pointless and a waste of time, but Up the Long Ladder is stupid, cheesy and offensive on so many levels. :eek: :eek: :eek: It's as bad as the worst of season 1 episode.

The ethnic stereotyping is just unbelievably stupid and more offensive than Code of Honor, since this one was actually written that way. I can only imagine how Irish people might feel watching it. Every one of those Space Irish caricatures is ridiculous beyond belief.

Then in the second part, we get to meet the colony of clones, who, as we learn, have dispensed with sex, because they want no sexual reproduction. Uuumm... there's such thing as birth control, you know? :rolleyes: It's hard to believe that these people don't know about it - they're supposed to be freaking scientific geniuses!

Next there's Riker killing his clone without hesitation, and this is treated like a perfectly OK thing. And this was supposedly meant as an abortion metaphor? :wtf: It makes no bloody sense. But the ending of the episode is perhaps the most offensive of all - Picard and co. decide to solve the colony's reproduction problems by suggesting the Space Irish as 'breeding stock' (what else do you do with a bunch of dumb country bumpkins?), Pulaski explains that this would require each women to have children by 3 different men, and everyone is happy and content, and some cheesy 'comedy music' plays. Even the Space Irish woman who expressed a protest about it ("I didn't ask to be Eve") changes her mind quickly, when she thinks about how cool it would be to have 3 husbands, ha ha ha, just like her dad was earlier eager to have at least 3 women to fertilize, ha ha ha, we're supposed to find it all so funny, because of the comedy music. Nobody asks what happens if some people aren't comfortable with that scenario, and if they refuse to model their personal life according to the reproductive policy of the community. What if, say, some of the women don't want to have children by 3 different men? Or to have as many as 3 children? Or, for that matter, to have any children at all? What if some of them can't have children - does that mean that others will have to double their 'efforts'? What if there are couples who just want to stay monogamous and faithful to each other? What if there are homosexual or asexual people who are unwilling to have sex just for breeding purposes? Are people going to be forced to 'breed' and bear children the way that the community decides? No word at all about just how problematic and creepy it all is, if they actually stick to the idea... which is even more ironic since Riker justified his murder of his clone with the line about having the control over his own body. :shifty:

In between all this, the episode even managed to squeeze in another lame, embarrassing Riker romance, which was also completely pointless and unnecessary, since it leads nowhere, has no effect on anything, and is totally forgotten about halfway through the episode, as soon as the clones arrive.

I'm starting to think this may be the worst TNG episode ever.

I think you just perfectly summed up why this episode sucks. Good job. :techman:

Next there's Riker killing his clone without hesitation, and this is treated like a perfectly OK thing. And this was supposedly meant as an abortion metaphor? :wtf: It makes no bloody sense.
I'll concede that bit is ballsy. Forget late term abortions, what about aborting even when it's not inside your body and already has an adopted home? As far as metaphors about the abortion debate goes, this one practically seems jury-rigged to favour the pro-life argument, so using it to stake one's case for choice is... well... blunt.

What strikes me the most about this subplot is that they were so obviously trying to go for a pro-choice stance. However, as far as I'm concerned, the way it was executed (no pun intended) ends up having the "heros" look like villians and in turn favors a pro-life stance. That's some really great writing there guys. :rolleyes:
 
the naked now
The Icarus Factor
I can't think of the worst of season 3. There's no single ep that makes me not want to watch it
The wounded
The Inner Light
Again can't choose a stinker for season6. Aquiel was the weakest story from a sci fi POV
Masks- the worst Trek show of all time not just TNG
 
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