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Duplicate Earth from the episode "Miri"

I like to think there were some differences between Earth and Miri's planet, but they were hard to see from orbit (more in-depth extensive research may reveal those differences), but as far as planetary civilizations evolving along similar (if not identical) paths, I think it's no less plausible than the idea of parallel universes where there's a copy or near copy of everything.
 
In a way, a parallel universe in "Mirror, Mirror" style is much easier to swallow than an entire line of parallel development. After all, "Mirror, Mirror" and its likes are mere intersections, brief moments where two possibly completely different universes temporarily and locally share certain features.

Indeed, in DS9 it seems that all the intersections are with different universes - some with the Alliance in possession of cloaks, some not, some with a parallel Sisko alive and well, some not, and so forth.

On the other hand, it's not difficult to believe in identical planets, not in a universe where apparently dozens of different ancient civilizations have all featured the same air-breathing biped physique, and all have had both the incentive and the means to terraform every possible planet into a duplicate of their ideal world. One or two of these ancient meddlers may have had limited imagination, leading to series production of Earths. (Plenty of these "ancient" players seem to have played within the past couple of million years, too, so there'd be no time for the geologies or biologies of the Earths to diverge.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
The thing that pisses me off more than anything is that Michael J Pollard must be the oldest looking "child" in the history of mankind.

He wouldnt be refused service in a bar the way he looks in this episode.
 
I just thought the parallel world thing was a super cool concept when I saw the show on NBC. Didn't really need an explanation beyond "space is really, really big." :p
 
They did go out of their way to actually make it an exact duplicate of Earth, down to the formation of the continents (only without clouds). Usually, it's just am M Class planet with a society that apes ours. This one was Earth 2 or something and for that reason alone deserved an explanation. When they set it up in the teaser, it felt like it was going to be a different episode altogether, about this weird duplicate Earth. But instead it's about no blah blah blahs. The teaser is a foolie.
 
I just thought the parallel world thing was a super cool concept when I saw the show on NBC. Didn't really need an explanation beyond "space is really, really big." :p

THANK YOU.
It's a device, nothing more. It doesn't matter any more than what the stardates mean. Imagine if someone tried to make sense of all that nonsense and missed the whole point of the show?
 
The thing that pisses me off more than anything is that Michael J Pollard must be the oldest looking "child" in the history of mankind.

He wouldnt be refused service in a bar the way he looks in this episode.
But would you let him date your daughter?

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The thing that pisses me off more than anything is that Michael J Pollard must be the oldest looking "child" in the history of mankind.

He wouldnt be refused service in a bar the way he looks in this episode.

Wonder if the character might not have had some separate genetic issue/condition that interacted with the disease that allowed him to age a bit longer before that disease killed him.

He does look kind of old to still be alive, though- for whatever reason.
 
A few funny things regarding dating this "exact duplicate" of Earth... Spock is making a series of very dodgy assumptions there.

At beam-down, after a brief debate, our heroes agree that the place looks like 1960s Earth, as opposed to "the early 1900s" - and they base this on observing a street littered with 1940s and early 1950s automobiles and lined with buildings from no later than the 1930s in construction style! No TV sets or other modern amenities for sale at the windows, either. No street ads of 1960s style. Does Spock insert a correction factor and assume that a little town like this would always be 20 years behind the times?

Soon thereafter, Spock identifies a grand piano as being 300 years old. Apparently, said piano was brand new when disaster struck, as the records on the longevity project later prove that things went haywire exactly 300 years ago. Why the coincidence? Nothing else in that apartment looks brand new for the 1960s. Or even for the 1940s, for that matter. And more generally, the interior with its period-unspecific paintings on the wall is not indicative of a taste for modernity for the occupant, regardless of exact Earth analogies for individual items.

...Okay, so we do see the roller skate on the piano. Spock was probably giving his estimate on that, rather than the piano, then. But there's nothing about the design of the skate that screams 1960s (as that particular style existed since about 1900). And in any case, how can Spock tell how old these things are? He isn't using his tricorder, and it doesn't really make sense that he could divine their age by their design - a pseudo-1960s or a pseudo-1900s design could be two years old, or two thousand, for the degree of decay witnessed by Mk I Eyeball.

Later episodes suggest Spock is fairly ignorant about Earth history in general. Perhaps he's just bluffing his way through the mission, and Kirk hasn't yet learned to distrust his friend?

Timo Saloniemi
 
If it really were a matter of set practicability, why didn't they decide that Miri's planet was stuck in 1943 or something? I mean, yeah, "1960" might be contemporary and all that - but when it's so blatantly not contemporary, why not milk your set for what it does provide, say, a setting befitting the infamous decade of gruesome experimentation on the human physique? Play the Nazi card, man! Or the Duck and Cover era of paranoia. Crazy scientists and their human experiments were so totally passé in the 1960s already...

On the other hand, insisting that the 1960s are 300 years in the past is sort of telling. Takes away all the supposed "ambiguity" about when Star Trek was intended to take place.

Timo Saloniemi
 
On the other hand, insisting that the 1960s are 300 years in the past is sort of telling. Takes away all the supposed "ambiguity" about when Star Trek was intended to take place.

The ambiguity wasn't coming from particular episodes NOT telling us the date. It was coming from all episodes telling us different dates. Maybe it was the intention, originally, but well, it failed at that.
 
This one was Earth 2 or something and for that reason alone deserved an explanation.

Well, in 1966 "space is really big and anything is possible" seemed more than sufficient. Plus - gosh wow, another Earth!

There's the old saw that "somewhere in the Universe your exact double exists;" in those days the popular notion persisted - if not the scientifically correct one - was that the Universe was endless.
 
Wow, some great responses.

For me, I was less concerned about an explanation of the duplicate of Earth, then with the characters themselves not addressing it at all in the end. They seemed pretty weirded out in the opening of the show, then kind of forgot about it.

Even just a vague line at the end about the mysteries of the universe or whatever would have been nice.
 
Wow, some great responses.

For me, I was less concerned about an explanation of the duplicate of Earth, then with the characters themselves not addressing it at all in the end. They seemed pretty weirded out in the opening of the show, then kind of forgot about it.

Even just a vague line at the end about the mysteries of the universe or whatever would have been nice.

I agree. I have no problem with leaving some big head-scratching mysteries in place, but it would have been nice to have seen more complete amazement and wonder, with even a little conjecture about it. Such mysteries are OK because they just emphasize that the races in the Federation are still baffled about some things in Life, the Universe, and Everything.....
 
Exactly. I'd have been fine with no real explanation if the characters actually addressed it a little more. Instead we got: "We've found a planet that is the exact duplicate of Earth. It's seems impossible, but there it - ooo, look, kids in the streets!"
 
And even that wouldn't have mattered if "Shore Leave", "The Return of the Archons", "This Side of Paradise" etc. would then all have featured planets identical to Earth as well, again without much comment, and with just these odd little variations on who lives on the planet and how.

And then, sometime during the second season, our heroes would have gotten their first hints about plot element X that's actually related to how these duplicate Earths came to be. I don't mean serialization of TOS, I just mean a single standalone episode where the plot revolves around the mystery of the duplicate Earth being a duplicate Earth. The issue wouldn't really be solved there, either, and it'd be back to status quo - until a sequel in season three would finally sort it out. Or then not.

Then we'd suspend our disbelief and hang it in the closet, right next to our disbelief about Spock, transporters and warp drive.

The damning thing about "Miri" is that it's unique, yet dares not confess to it. That's not how weirdness should be treated in Star Trek.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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