Poll Dune (2021) Spoiler/Rating Thread

[Reverend]

Yeah, in the real world; I'm fairly certain the early autopilot systems were invented shortly before WWI and as such were probably relatively simple electro-mechanical (if not purely mechanical) in nature right up until the 50's or 60's. So 'thopters having simple (by post-microprocessor era standards) APs seems plausible enough. Of course the religious and social mores of the time would probably mean that they wouldn't actually call it an "autopilot" lest it alluded to the vulgar thinking machines, and instead just refer to it as a "vector lock" or some-such; just another human operated mechanism along side the airbreaks, take-off jet throttle, and the radio system.

 

[XCV330]

no doubt in the Kevin J Anderson and the Abomination books there's some hybrid pig/human/tortured tiny mentat that is made by the Bene Tlelaxu at Ix (with 20 chapters about how they stole the design from the House Whatsthernames of Richese) and is fitted into a tiny little apartment in the ornithopter . Being that this is a KJA book, the little apartment will be lined with duraplasteel

 

[Samurai8472]

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Brilliant as always!

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Yeah, in the real world; I'm fairly certain the early autopilot systems were invented shortly before WWI and as such were probably relatively simple electro-mechanical (if not purely mechanical) in nature right up until the 50's or 60's. So 'thopters having simple (by post-microprocessor era standards) APs seems plausible enough. Of course the religious and social mores of the time would probably mean that they wouldn't actually call it an "autopilot" lest it alluded to the vulgar thinking machines, and instead just refer to it as a "vector lock" or some-such; just another human operated mechanism along side the airbreaks, take-off jet throttle, and the radio system.

Yes, such computers were analogue rather than digital. One of my professors at university worked on radar and missile guidance systems during WW2 that were analogue. Even many battleships during WW1 used analogue computers for aiming their main guns. However, these examples were hardly thinking machines as they were merely performing complex calculations, literally by analogy. Of course, the word "computer" back then meant a human (usually female) performing calculations on a hand-cranked machine.

 

[FPAlpha]

Did my second watch in IMAX today. First movie I've seen twice in theatres since I worked at one and got to go for free.

There was one moment that jumped out at me in both viewings I didn't mention before.

I'm mostly disappointed with Paul's visions in this adaptation, but when he's in the tent with Jessica tripping balls on spice and freaking out from his visions and begs for someone to help him....

As someone who has been in both Paul and Jessica's positions, trapped in trauma flashbacks/nightmares/deja vu timeloops, that was so well done. So realistic. Heartbreakingly real.

Oh, and they adjusted the sound mixing somehow? Maybe an update went out to theaters? I dunno, but the music was not nearly as overpowering this time.

It was this scene that truly shows how tragic Paul's story actually is. Not only does he see the destruction of his house ( first and foremost the death of his father but also all the people loyal to House Atreides) but he sees a future coming that he believes can't be stopped or changed and that terrifies him. As us book readers know that future will happen unfortunately but Paul still couldn't make the final sacrifice, which fell to his son to do to put humanity on a safe path ( which at first would need even more misery inflicted on humanity).

I think spoilers in general are ridiculous but that's not for me to decide. Other's have a more strict view and I'll respect that first and foremost. Call it overly polite.

Ages ago a friend spoiled the ending of Harry Potter book 6 concerning Dumbledore because he didn't care about spoilers. It was in a chatroom and another friend, who hadn't read the book yet, took off his head verbally - i've never seen or experienced her this mad about anything and the spoiler person was lucky that it happened online. Had they been face to face there might have been at least five to the face.

So i tend to be extremely cautious when it comes to spoilers - coincidentally i have a friend who wants to be spoiled about everything to a point it sometimes gets annoying and i basically yell "Jesus Christ woman - just watch the show/movie and you'll see what happens!"

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

My take is that if a movie/TV show or a book is judged not worth watching or reading after it has been spoiled, it probably wasn't worth bothering with in the first place. To me, something has little entertainment value if it can't be revisited multiple times to reveal things you had never noticed previously.

 

[eschaton]

My take is that if a movie/TV show or a book is judged not worth watching or reading after it has been spoiled, it probably wasn't worth bothering with in the first place. To me, something has little entertainment value if it can't be revisited multiple times to reveal things you had never noticed previously.

There have been a lot of studies finding "spoiling" actually improves enjoyment. Basically when people don't know the outcome of a story, they tend to be engaged in the story only on a surface level (what happens next). But if people know the ultimate outcome, they pay attention for little cues in dialogue and the like which help to foreshadow the conclusion.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

I was accused once of spoiling the ending of Titanic while waiting in line to see it at the cinema - and I mean the damn ship sinking not the Rose and Jack stuff.

 

[Reverend]

Here's the thing though; spoiling a story may not render said story un-revisitable, but it does deprive the given audience member of that first experience of discovery. Some of my most favourite experiences consuming media has involved going in blind and being surprised, while subsequent viewings are equally enjoyable but for different reasons.
Other people may feel different and don't care about being spoiled one way or the other; good for them. Basic courtesy however is in respecting someone else's right to experience a story on their terms, not yours'.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Loved this movie. I felt so sad when the movie ended. Things were just starting to pick up and it was over. I can't wait for the sequels.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Here's the thing though; spoiling a story may not render said story un-revisitable, but it does deprive the given audience member of that first experience of discovery. Some of my most favourite experiences consuming media has involved going in blind and being surprised, while subsequent viewings are equally enjoyable but for different reasons.
Other people may feel different and don't care about being spoiled one way or the other; good for them. Basic courtesy however is in respecting someone else's right to experience a story on their terms, not yours'.

Even if one was completely unaware that the Titanic sank on its maiden voyage, I think it creates more tension and emotion knowing that one or more of the characters being developed on screen are probably doomed due to forces beyond their control. I was amazed that someone could reach their 20s and never have been aware of the story. I just assumed everyone had. To me, the fascinating journey is the thing of value not the surprise climax at the end.

 

[FPAlpha]

Even if one was completely unaware that the Titanic sank on its maiden voyage, I think it creates more tension and emotion knowing that one or more of the characters being developed on screen are probably doomed due to forces beyond their control. I was amazed that someone could reach their 20s and never have been aware of the story. I just assumed everyone had. To me, the fascinating journey is the thing of value not the surprise climax at the end.

I'm really showing my age here but the same applies to Apollo 13, those of us who were interested in history or the space race knew it ended well but it didn't take away one bit from the movie. In fact it was so well done you still were tense at the end wondering if the parachute would open and if the astronauts would survive

However part of the modern youth today, i.e. those 20-30 years younger ( i'm 46) really don't care about ancient history at all but i guess this applies to my generation too with events that happened 50-100 years before i was born. It's just our turn to complain how the kids today don't amount to anything and it's all going downhill

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Even though I trained as a scientist, I have always thought it important to learn about history - although warped by the lenses of modern culture and political views as it often is. George Santayana's maxim "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" is truer now than ever. I'm always surprised by people who've never heard of the Thirty Years' War, the Seven Years' War, or the Franco-Prussian War, for example. What the heck are they teaching in schools nowadays? The War of Jenkins' Ear and the War of the Austrian Succession are a tad more obscure, I'll admit.

 

[theenglish]

Ignorance of history is not a new thing. I remember watching the Untouchables in the theatre and people had no idea about Al Capone's fate or who Eliot Ness was--or even that it was based on a true story. I try not to judge too harshly though, because I have large gaps in my knowledge of history.

 

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Yes, I am sketchy on aspects of history, for example, the history of China. That's so long and complicated that it's difficult to keep it all straight in my head. However, I try to read a little about it before watching a movie such as Red Cliff or Hero. It's then easier to spot when history has been tweaked to make the movie "more interesting".

 

[Noname Given]

Ignorance of history is not a new thing. I remember watching the Untouchables in the theatre and people had no idea about Al Capone's fate or who Eliot Ness was--or even that it was based on a true story. I try not to judge too harshly though, because I have large gaps in my knowledge of history.

I believe Ron Howard stated that during the preview audience phase of his film Apollo 13, on one of the comment cards, someone wrote something to the effect of:

" I liked the film, but let's face it, if something like that really happened In space there is no way that crew would have survived. I wish you hadn't done the "Hollywood ending"..."

 

[fireproof78]

It's why I love Hacksaw Ridge. They actually removed some of Doss' achievements from the film because they would not be believable to the film audience and would be thought to be making it a spectacle. Real history is often way more fun anyway.

 

[publiusr]

Here is a book on the making of the film
https://www.space.com/the-art-and-soul-of-dune-movie-book

 

[David cgc]

Here is a book on the making of the film
https://www.space.com/the-art-and-soul-of-dune-movie-book

I'm still in awe that Hans Zimmer composed a soundtrack specifically for the "Art of..." book.