Dumb and Bizarre Trek Novel Moments...

[TerraUnam]

Re: Trek Lit Face Palm Moments

I'm going to get shot for this, but...


In Destiny the Caeliar state they are searching for civilizations more advanced then their own, to see what the next step of evolution is.

Hello? Q Continuum? Could I get an appointment for later this week?

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Re: Trek Lit Face Palm Moments

From the linked thread I'm still wondering why

- Starfleet needed a Wargame to test a landable saucer in Rouge Saucer

And in The Return

- How Starfleet was able to make the Defiant-class compatable with technology they've never seen before.

- And why the Borg would put a self-destruct in their central node of the collective that is so easy to activate.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Re: Trek Lit Face Palm Moments

... a landable saucer in Rouge Saucer.

Pretty in Pink.

 

[LightningStorm]

Since the old one was resurrected, figured might as well merge 'em.
*squish*

 

[captcalhoun]

our threads are merging, our threads are one

 

[F. King Daniel]

My old thread lives again!!

bwahahahaha!

Dumb...

Thinly-veiled K/S man-lust in Triangle.
There's this sexy lady called Sola Thane. Spock bangs her, but is thinking of Kirk. Later Kirk bangs her while worrying about Spock. There's talk of Kirk feeling safe in the "strong hands" of Spock. They're referred to as "the two who are one" and there's stuff about Kirk spending years trying to get Spock "to break free of his Vulcan chains".
Message to Sondra Marshak and Myrna Culbreath: KIRK AND SPOCK ARE NOT GAY FOR EACH OTHER. YOUR FANFIC-WISH-FULFILMENT STYLE WRITING WILL NOT CHANGE THAT.

Bizarre....

Countdown's Hobus Supernova

I loved STXI, and I liked Countdown a lot but I must admit an expanding-fireball supernova that must measure many lightyears across and explode at FTL speed is a little silly.
I still love it, though!

 

[F. King Daniel]

Dumb and Bizarre...

Joseph T'Kol T'Lan Kirk
Kirk's mutant hermaphrodite child (retconned in Captain's Glory from hermaphrodite to sexless until puberty) was the Reman Jesus, the Second Shinzon and at the bewildering end of Captain's Glory, some sort of godlike force of light Super Preserver.
Yep, all that from the seed of Kirk.

 

[GodThingFormerly]

Re: Trek Lit Face Palm Moments

After having a read though some of the last thread, I need to belatedly apologize to (the poster currently known as) Semilatus Rectum for somehow getting the Uhura nude bit all wrong. No idea how that happened

No biggie.

SLR

 

[Starbreaker]

Re: Trek Lit Face Palm Moments

I'm going to get shot for this, but...


In Destiny the Caeliar state they are searching for civilizations more advanced then their own, to see what the next step of evolution is.

Hello? Q Continuum? Could I get an appointment for later this week?

How is that dumb or bizarre? The Q just haven't revealed themselves to the Caeliar.

 

[Christopher]

Re: Trek Lit Face Palm Moments

Maybe the Q and other transcendent beings are too advanced, or too different in their evolutionary process. Maybe the Caeliar were looking for the next step in their type of evolution, where they stayed corporeal and continued to advance their technology and mastery of the material world, as opposed to leaving the material world altogether.

After all, evolution isn't a ladder, it's a tree. It can go in many directions, not just one.

 

[TerraUnam]

True, but that's the epistemological problem with the Caeliar. They are so narrowly focused to their own detriment. Which is logical one way, but when I thought of Q suddenly appearing and doing his thing in Axion, or the fact that Troi et al. have seen species more advanced than the Caeliar, it really sidetracked me from enjoying the story.

A nagging point for me.

 

[Starbreaker]

How many species more advanced than the Caeliar have we seen? They are practically immortal and can move whole galaxies at a whim.

 

[TerraUnam]

The Q, the Traveller from TNG Season 1, possibly Tkon Empire, Organians, Metrons.

 

[JarodRussell]

Re: Trek Lit Face Palm Moments

"Dayton, this is John Ordover at Pocket Books. Want to write a Star Trek novel for me?"

Beat me to it.

Curious, why is that a facepalm moment?

 

[Christopher]

Re: Trek Lit Face Palm Moments

The Q, the Traveller from TNG Season 1, possibly Tkon Empire, Organians, Metrons.

Just being incorporeal doesn't necessarily mean being more powerful than the Caeliar. It just means having different strengths and abilities. I'll grant the Q, but who's to say the Caeliar couldn't have stopped the Federation/Klingon war just as effectively as the Organians if they'd been less isolationist? As for the Traveler, he had considerable ability to manipulate spacetime, but there may be things the Caeliar could do that his people couldn't. As for the Metrons, there's no evidence that their powers are anywhere near the level of the Q or Organians; the only things they did were paralyze two starships, teleport two captains, and terraform one asteroid to serve as an arena, which isn't really all that powerful in this context. And the Tkon... well, I just don't see any basis for assuming they were anything other than a standard large interstellar empire.

"Dayton, this is John Ordover at Pocket Books. Want to write a Star Trek novel for me?"

Beat me to it.

Curious, why is that a facepalm moment?

It's a joke.

 

[Geoff Thorne]

TNG pissed all over TREK IMO, more than any TOS feature, so as a core to my view, that is an absolute. It was already not TREK to me, though DS9 did get some of that frontier feel that TREK needs to be TREK for me (neat trick, given all the creative dead-ends for storytelling that TNG set up.)

etc.

I would say this smacks of a narcissistic personality disorder.

STAR TREK is a gestalt creation meant to appeal to the broadest possible audience of the TV, Film and book consuming public.

Since, empirically, subsequent iterations of the franchise that expanded upon or even deviated from the original series and which, also empirically, increased audience and longevity for the property cannot be described, on ANY front, as any sort of failure or betrayal of the original vision.

Tastes change. Techniques for creating art evolve and, frankly, the audience and the creators evolve as well. How many women are writing Star Trek fiction now? How many gay people? How many non-whites?

Things evolve. Sometimes they die off; sometimes they improve. In this case Star trek has more than fulfilled the promise it made in the 1960s and anyone who doesn't see that probably ain't really looking.

 

[Lorraine Anderson]

Re: Trek Lit Face Palm Moments

"Dayton, this is John Ordover at Pocket Books. Want to write a Star Trek novel for me?"

Beat me to it.

Curious, why is that a facepalm moment?

I wish I had had one of those moments. Still, Elisa's "your story is in Strange New Worlds 8" was pretty nice.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Bizarre: Old, retired Kirk being propositioned by a telepathic Pylosian of indeterminate gender in a club on earth in The Fearful Summons.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Before Dishonor the entire book...second worst Star Trek book I've ever read the other being DS9's Warped. Picard's assimilation in both Resistance and in The Return as plot devices to somehow stop the Borg. I don't think on screen Jean-Luc would have done that no matter what personally. The Fearful Summons...almost just for the above description and earlier in the thread someone pointed out Spock becoming an actor. There are tons more I just can't seem to think of any right now.

 

[JD]

All I can think to say about that is .