DS9 Relaunch Timeline

[ATimson]

[*]The Lost Era: The Sundered (2298)
[*]The Lost Era: Serpents Among the Ruins (2311)
[*]The Lost Era: The Art of the Impossible (2328-2346)
[*]The Lives of Dax: "The Music Between the Notes" (Curzon's story)
[*]Prophecy and Change: "Ha'mara" (2370, shortly after "Emissary")
[*]Prophecy and Change: "The Orb of Opportunity" (2372, between "Life Support" (48498.4) and "Heart of Stone" (48521.5))
[*]Prophecy and Change: "Broken Oaths" (2373, shortly after "Our Man Bashir" (circa 49400))
[*]The Lives of Dax: "Reflections" (2373, shortly after "Paradise Lost" (circa 49400))
[*]Prophecy and Change: "...Loved I Not Honor More" (2374, shortly before/concurrently with "Soldiers of the Empire" (circa 50775))
[*]Prophecy and Change: "Three Sides to Every Story" (2374, concurrently with "Behind the Lines" (51149.5), "Favor the Bold," and "Sacrifice of Angels")
[*]Prophecy and Change: "The Devil You Know" (2374, shortly before and up to "Time's Orphan" (circa 51900))
[*]The Battle of Betazed (early 2375, between seasons 6 and 7)
[*]Prophecy and Change: "Foundlings" (2375, between "Tears of the Prophets" (circa 52000) and "Shadows and Symbols" (52152.6))
[*]Prophecy and Change: "Chiaroscuro" (2375, between "Afterimage" (circa 52200) and "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" (shortly after))
[*]Prophecy and Change: "Face Value" (2375, concurrently with "The Dogs of War" (circa 52700))
[*]2376 (after "What You Leave Behind")

• The Left Hand of Destiny, Books One and Two
• The Lives of Dax
• n-Vector (comic book miniseries, reprinted in Other Realities TPB)
• Star Trek: The Next Generation #61--Diplomatic Implausibility
• Star Trek: The Next Generation #62/63--Maximum Warp (cameos with Defiant and crew--takes place during Diplomatic Implausibility)
• #27: A Stitch in Time (seen in Avatar, Book One)
• Avatar, Books One and Two
• Starfleet Corps of Engineers #6: Cold Fusion (reprinted in Starfleet Corps of Engineers, Book Two: Miracle Workers)
• Section 31: Abyss
• Gateways #3: Doors into Chaos (features some DS9 characters)
• Gateways #4: Demons of Air and Darkness
• Gateways #6: Cold Wars (shares a scene with #4, events in #4 affect events here)
• Gateways #7: What Lay Beyond--"Horn and Ivory"
• Gateways #7: What Lay Beyond--"Death After Life" (resolves Cold Wars)
• Gateways #7: What Lay Beyond--"The Other Side" (resolves Doors into Chaos, and overall situation)
• Mission: Gamma, Book One: Twilight--Part One
• Divided We Fall (comic book miniseries from Wildstorm, no TPB reprint in English)
• The Brave and the Bold, Book Two: "The Final Artifact"
• Mission: Gamma, Book One: Twilight--Part Two
• I.K.S. Gorkon, Book One: A Good Day to Die (features various DS9 characters)
• Mission: Gamma, Book One: Twilight--Parts Three-Four
• Mission: Gamma, Book Two: This Gray Spirit
• Mission: Gamma, Book Three: Cathedral
• I.K.S. Gorkon, Book Two: Honor Bound (due 12/03)
• Starfleet Corps of Engineers #29: Aftermath (due in print Goddess knows when)
• Mission: Gamma, Book Four: Lesser Evil
• Rising Son (beginning after Avatar, and runs parallel to the other novels; ends right before Lesser Evil does; best read here)
• Unity (due 11/03)
• The Worlds of Deep Space Nine, Books One, Two, and Three (due 2004/2005; no set order within the books)

[*]Millennium (framing story occurs post-birth; not knowing what happens in Unity, I've elected to place it here at the end of everything)

• The Fall of Terok Nor
• The War of the Prophets
• Inferno

[*]Prophecy and Change: "The Calling" (2378, IIRC)
[*]Prophecy and Change: "Revisited" (frame story for anthology, takes place circa 2430)

 

[KRAD]

I'm not sure the Gorkon books need to be in this timeline, but okay.

For what it's worth, timeline-wise, it's probably best to place A Good Day to Die between Parts 2 and 3 of Twilight (it commences shortly after the Defiant's departure, and takes place over two-and-a-half months), and Honor Bound between Cathedral and Lesser Evil.

As for Prophecy and Change, let's get specific, for grits 'n' shins....

• "Ha'mara" -- shortly after "Emissary"
  "The Orb of Opportunity" -- between "Life Support" and "Heart of Stone"
  "Broken Oaths" -- shortly after "Our Man Bashir"
  "...Loved I Not Honor More" -- concurrently with "Soldiers of the Empire"
  "Three Sides to Every Story" -- concurrently with "Behind the Lines," "Favor the Bold," and "Sacrifice of Angels"
  "The Devil You Know" -- shortly before and up to "Time's Orphan"
  "Foundlings" -- between "Tears of the Prophets" and "Shadows and Symbols"
  "Chiaroscuro" -- between "Afterimage" and "Take Me Out to the Holosuite"
  "Face Value" -- concurrently with "The Dogs of War"
  "The Calling" -- a couple of years after "What You Leave Behind" and A Stitch in Time
  "Revisited" -- way in the future

 

[ATimson]

Posted by KRAD:
I'm not sure the Gorkon books need to be in this timeline, but okay.

Hey, you didn't kvetch before.

And suggestions/PoC stuff has been added.

 

[8-4-7-2]

Why are you listing all stories from Prophecy and Change there?
Only "The Calling" should be on the list. The others take place during the TV period and "Revisited" doesn't have anything to do with the Relaunch continuity

 

[KRAD]

Your pre-relaunch stories are now out of order.

"Reflections" should go between "Broken Oaths" and "...Loved I Not Honor More" (it takes place shortly after "Paradise Lost").

The Battle of Betazed takes place in the same general time period as "Foundlings" (between the sixth and seventh seasons).

 

[TerriO]

Posted by 8-4-7-2:
Why are you listing all stories from Prophecy and Change there?
Only "The Calling" should be on the list. The others take place during the TV period and "Revisited" doesn't have anything to do with the Relaunch continuity

What about the P&C stories that referenced items and events from Relaunch continuity?

And how can you be so sure that "Revisited" doesn't have anything to do with Relaunch continuity? We haven't gotten that far ahead in the timeframe yet.

 

[Christopher]

Posted by ATimson:
Prophecy and Change: "...Loved I Not Honor More" (2374, concurrently with "Soldiers of the Empire" (circa 50775))

Just to be extra-nitpicky, it actually starts about three days before "Soldiers of the Empire," while ending on the same day the episode ends. I operated on the assumption that there were eight days between "Ferengi Love Songs" and "Soldiers," and that "Soldiers" took one week, so LINHM begins five days after "Love Songs" and takes ten days.

Prophecy and Change: "Revisited" (frame story for anthology, takes place circa 2430)

Where do you get 2430 for this?

 

[KRAD]

Why are you listing all stories from Prophecy and Change there?
Only "The Calling" should be on the list. The others take place during the TV period and "Revisited" doesn't have anything to do with the Relaunch continuity

What Terri Said.

The Battle of Betazed, the Lost Era books, and several other items on the list take place during the TV period also. Besides, it's all part of the overall DS9 storyline. Or do you think "relaunch continuity" only apply to characters created for the relaunch (which is silly)?

All the stories in P&C were written by people familiar with the events of the relaunch and edited by the guy who's directing it, and some stories even make reference to them, or at least use of revelations and/or characterization in them.

What this timeline does is show all the different threads in the tapestry that have been woven. Some are thicker, bolder, more colorful threads (the mainline relaunch books), others make for some nice fringes.

 

[ATimson]

Posted by 8-4-7-2:
Why are you listing all stories from Prophecy and Change there?

Because KRAD listed them, so I figured that I'd include them. It's include them as they go along, or stick them all years after everything else. I prefer this way.

The only reason why the two TLoD stories are on the list is because others pushed for them earlier. I feel that they "take place" as Ezri is telling them, shortly after The Left Hand of Destiny.

Only "The Calling" should be on the list. The others take place during the TV period and "Revisited" doesn't have anything to do with the Relaunch continuity

*channels Keith* Does it?

 

[ATimson]

Posted by Christopher:
Just to be extra-nitpicky, it actually starts about three days before "Soldiers of the Empire," while ending on the same day the episode ends.

Changed.

Prophecy and Change: "Revisited" (frame story for anthology, takes place circa 2430)

Where do you get 2430 for this?

Initially: random guess. But research confirms it as a reasonable choice.

Well, the script contradicts itself: it says it's about seventy years after the current timeframe when Melanie shows up, placing it around 2440-2445, while it also says that Jake is in his seventies, placing it from 2426-2436. I chose to use the latter reference, and picked 2430 as being pretty much smack dab in the middle (while labeling it as being around that time).

 

[ATimson]

Posted by KRAD:
Your pre-relaunch stories are now out of order.

That's what I get for rushing to finish it 'cause the edit time would've been over by when I got back from class.

Anyways, everything you pointed out is fixed now.

 

[8-4-7-2]

Posted by ATimson:
Because KRAD listed them, so I figured that I'd include them.

So if KRAD tells you to jump from a bridge, you do it?

Despite the small references in Prophecy and Change, The Lives of Dax relates more to the Relaunch. The parasites from "Sins of the Mother" and Gard from "Allegro Ouroborus in D Minor" play an important role. And I hope they do something with General Cyl (from Lesser Evil) and Dax (Nima Cyl was Audrid Dax's daughter in "Sins of the Mother")

 

[ATimson]

Posted by 8-4-7-2:

Posted by ATimson:
Because KRAD listed them, so I figured that I'd include them.

So if KRAD tells you to jump from a bridge, you do it?

We-llll.... *jumps as shotgun muzzle's poked into back*

Despite the small references in Prophecy and Change, The Lives of Dax relates more to the Relaunch.

Which is why I'm considering stripping out the two individual references, and leaving just the main entry that's there when Ezri's frame occurs. I'd do the same with P&C in a heartbeat if the frame story occurred at a more reasonable location temporally compared to the rest of the stories.

 

[ATimson]

Posted by KRAD:
What this timeline does is show all the different threads in the tapestry that have been woven. Some are thicker, bolder, more colorful threads (the mainline relaunch books), others make for some nice fringes.

And this is the "simple" version, only containing stuff with DS9 characters; I'm working on a "master" version, containing everything that's supposedly continuous.

 

[ATimson]

Okay, I think I've dealt with everything that people addressed. If you see anything else, please let me know.

Hopefully, later tonight I'll have finished the "master" or "effing big" version. I'll post a link to my site once it's done.

 

[Stevil2001]

Posted by ATimson:
And this is the "simple" version, only containing stuff with DS9 characters; I'm working on a "master" version, containing everything that's supposedly continuous.

Ooh, I did that once. I had a connections web and everything. Eventually, though, it starts to spiral out of control. Lost the files in a hard drive class, though. Along with a lot of other stuff.

 

[TerriO]

Posted by 8-4-7-2:

Posted by ATimson:
Because KRAD listed them, so I figured that I'd include them.

So if KRAD tells you to jump from a bridge, you do it?

Despite the small references in Prophecy and Change, The Lives of Dax relates more to the Relaunch. The parasites from "Sins of the Mother" and Gard from "Allegro Ouroborus in D Minor" play an important role. And I hope they do something with General Cyl (from Lesser Evil) and Dax (Nima Cyl was Audrid Dax's daughter in "Sins of the Mother")

Aaaaaaaaaaand, just because you haven't seen anything in the Relaunch that's following off an anthology that was just released (perish the thought that a story in the anthology might have built up something already seen in the Relaunch, thereby working backward), you're jumping a chasm-length distance to reach the conclusion that it's not relevant to the Relaunch?

8-4-7-2, my friend, I should think you'd have learned by now that very little is out of the realms of possibility.

 

[ATimson]

Posted by SCMoll:
Ooh, I did that once. I had a connections web and everything. Eventually, though, it starts to spiral out of control. Lost the files in a hard drive class, though. Along with a lot of other stuff.

Ouch... I'm just annoyed because the file that I thought I had, I don't, so I won't be able to finish until Thanksgiving.

 

[Marco Palmieri]

Posted by ATimson:

Posted by Christopher:
Where do you get 2430 for this?

Initially: random guess. But research confirms it as a reasonable choice.

Well, the script contradicts itself: it says it's about seventy years after the current timeframe when Melanie shows up, placing it around 2440-2445, while it also says that Jake is in his seventies, placing it from 2426-2436. I chose to use the latter reference, and picked 2430 as being pretty much smack dab in the middle (while labeling it as being around that time).

Actually the later (not latter) date is closer to being correct, but even that may be too early. In "The Visitor," the wormhole's "subspace inversion" is stated to occur once every fifty years. The first time it happens, in 2372, Jake is 17 years old. The second time it happens, in 2322, Jake is 67, and still pretty fit. We don't really know how many years pass between the second inversion and his meeting with Melanie—and perhaps he just aged very poorly during the intervening years (not an impossibility)—but he certainly looks several decades older when he dies.

 

[ATimson]

Posted by Marco Palmieri:
Actually the later (not latter) date is closer to being correct, but even that may be too early. In "The Visitor," the wormhole's "subspace inversion" is stated to occur once every fifty years. The first time it happens, in 2372, Jake is 17 years old. The second time it happens, in 2322, Jake is 67, and still pretty fit.

The second time is the Defiant trip, right? 'Cause in the script, it says that it's been "almost fifty years", while the characters seem to have aged about forty years (Nog's in his fifties, Dax and Bashir their sixties, Jake right around fifty, this being fourteen years after the last visit from when he was "around thirty-five").

We don't really know how many years pass between the second inversion and his meeting with Melanie—and perhaps he just aged very poorly during the intervening years (not an impossibility)—but he certainly looks several decades older when he dies.

He's supposed to be about two decades older. Michael Taylor just goofed the math somewhere.