DS9 Relaunch: is it over?

[Jarvisimo]

Vedek Kira is the development of DRGIII, whose love for DS9 is well-attested, and whose prior works for the series, most of all Cathedral...

Not "Cathedral". David R George III's installment was "Twilight" in the "Mission Gamma" four-parter.

Sorry, title wrong, but not the wonderful 1000 pages of text (or thereabouts), and shockingly good characterization of everyone involved in the run up to going into the GQ.

(I googled Cathedral now, I didn't like its GQ plot that much actually. I was confused, thought the pocket on the planet was the cathedral, not that dull retrogressive singularity)

 

[Min Zife]

Nothing that wasn't established in the earlier novels. The Prophets had begun to see Kira as "their Hand", such as in Warpath.

Haha so it sucks to be Kai even more now u got the Emissary and the Hand above you. Might as well make Kira, Kai. Which reminds me what is the difference between Emissary and Hand?

Perhaps the Hand goes off on missions for Emperor Palptaine.. ooops.. perhaps the Hand is Clone of Admiral Thrawn on Niraun...oops.

 

[Sjaddix]

So the Prophets are Palpatine. Sisko is Darth Vader. and Kira is a lesser Sith.

 

[antonio107]

Hmm...I read up on this Typhon pact business...about at the point when they started discussing (yet ANOTHER) Borg invasion, I sort of cringed and decided that I need to take a break from Star Trek books...:-(

DS9 extended universe was a fun, 8 month trek for me, but I'm sort of really cheesed about having (what I thought was) a good story line coming up with the Ascendants just disappear in attempt to "speed up" the DS9 universe with the rest of the trek books, or something like that.

Thanks for your help anyway, all!

 

[Jarvisimo]

Hmm...I read up on this Typhon pact business...about at the point when they started discussing (yet ANOTHER) Borg invasion, I sort of cringed and decided that I need to take a break from Star Trek books...:-(

You are referring to Destiny, which ended the threat and the possibility of return of the Borg. It happens to be one of the best pieces of Treklit from the last decade, and is now available in a lovely collected format. Every book since has been written from the aftermath of the final Borg event that could ever happen - in particular this volume, A Singular Destiny, in which the TP is revealed.

The Typhon Pact was a brilliant move by editors and writers to create an alternate-Federation, a chance to paint in far more realist manner the aliens traditionally seen to be semi-anonymous and villainous, and present political and cultural diversity within them. It is also a defensible response by powers worried about the long-depicted coercive-imperialist nature of the Federation, in a situation that was written as mimicking the original founders of the Federation, nations worried about the coercive and imperialist actions of Romulus.

 

[Rush Limborg]

In effect, we now have a Cold War--something quire refressing, after the Dominion War and the Borg invasion. Frankly, I think it's more dramatically compelling, this way.

 

[Jarvisimo]

In effect, we now have a Cold War--something quire refressing, after the Dominion War and the Borg invasion. Frankly, I think it's more dramatically compelling, this way.

And do you think it removes the idea that our protagonists are purely heroic, by presenting an alternative that has justifiable differences?

 

[antonio107]

You are referring to Destiny, which ended the threat and the possibility of return of the Borg. It happens to be one of the best pieces of Treklit from the last decade, and is now available in a lovely collected format.

Hmm...alright, I'm curious now. I see Kobo only seems to the individual titles right now, so I may return to this after a brief hiatus!

 

[Jarvisimo]

You are referring to Destiny, which ended the threat and the possibility of return of the Borg. It happens to be one of the best pieces of Treklit from the last decade, and is now available in a lovely collected format.

Hmm...alright, I'm curious now. I see Kobo only seems to the individual titles right now, so I may return to this after a brief hiatus!

It was because I read about Destiny that I even thought about reading modern Treklit, it sounded so revolutionary, ambitious and brilliantly conceived.

Of course in typical fashion I couldn't just read it straight away. So I went back to identifying where I could start reading from to get the fullest picture, started A Time to ..., hated most of them, but that series (the Nemesis prequel series) finished with three (or four) books by two authors, David Mack and Keith DeCandido (A Time to Kill, A Time to Heal, & A Time for War, A Time for Peace - as well as Articles of the Federation), who happened to be the writers of Destiny and A Singular Destiny. From this, I was sold on carrying on no matter what to Destiny.

 

[Rush Limborg]

In effect, we now have a Cold War--something quire refressing, after the Dominion War and the Borg invasion. Frankly, I think it's more dramatically compelling, this way.

And do you think it removes the idea that our protagonists are purely heroic, by presenting an alternative that has justifiable differences?

Not particularly. The Pact by and large engages in decidedly hostile acts--particularly in ZSG.

The sole excpetion seems to be Romulus--but only because, as of RBOE, the leadership...

 

[Jarvisimo]

In effect, we now have a Cold War--something quire refressing, after the Dominion War and the Borg invasion. Frankly, I think it's more dramatically compelling, this way.

And do you think it removes the idea that our protagonists are purely heroic, by presenting an alternative that has justifiable differences?

Not particularly. The Pact by and large engages in decidedly hostile acts--particularly in ZSG.

The sole excpetion seems to be Romulus--but only because, as of RBOE, the leadership...

I can understand what you say, but the suggestion I think the TP proposes is that the Federation is just as capable of being oppostional and hostile.

In the past, before the TP's creation, Federation leadership and Starfleet members, bullied other, smaller nations to accept their demands. The most recent example was Bacco's bullying for ships in the Azure Nebula. But the interference towards Romulus depicted in the early Titan books and Articles of the Federation suggest that because of its power and size, the Fed felt it could interfere in other nation states. And if we were talk about tv trek, the inconsistencies of Janeway, Picard and Kirk as our Federation exemplars would show that the tv writers used them to bully other civilisations for the heroes' gain.

The Federation is also shown to be deliberately negative through its continual cultural blindness. It cannot accept that which is different, and is hostile towards such elements. Therefore the different ideologies of the Tzenkethi and the Romulans are treated as morally abhorrent or suggested to be abnormal. Indeed Christopher's nuanced depiction of the Regnancy of the Carnelian Throne in The Buried Age suggested again the nascent neoconservative cultural imperialism of the Federation, and its xenophobia towards other systems. All this negativisation of the other, while ignoring the seemingly bizarre and violent nature of the Klingon Empire, the Federation's closest ally, whose wonderful campaigns of conquering and subjugating other species, such as in Krad's planet-conquering Gorkon books, never seem to provoke horror in our heroes, unlike the imperialism or moral failings of the enemies.

 

[Rush Limborg]

It would be interesting if Arafel Pagro were to run again, challenging Bacco's second-term bid, with precisely that ticket.

Still, I think "xenophobia" and "bully" are rather unfair. I think the Prime Directive is a direct address of the "bully" concept--and the writers are sure to make sure that the captains do some soul-searching before they violate it.

And I would argue that the UFP makes it a point to go out of its way to respect foreign POVs. I'm not sure how "xenophobia" applies.

Still--again, I would LOVE for KRAD to bring back Pagro as Bacco's opponent for the next election--so that this debate will be broght to full dramatic light.

 

[Edit_XYZ]

And do you think it removes the idea that our protagonists are purely heroic, by presenting an alternative that has justifiable differences?

Not particularly. The Pact by and large engages in decidedly hostile acts--particularly in ZSG.

The sole excpetion seems to be Romulus--but only because, as of RBOE, the leadership...

I can understand what you say, but the suggestion I think the TP proposes is that the Federation is just as capable of being oppostional and hostile.

'just as capable'?
The federation is not even close to the level of hostility and xenophobia all members of the typhon pact have demonstrated throughout their canon/non-canon apparitions - which include the typhon pact books.

The Federation is also shown to be deliberately negative through its continual cultural blindness. It cannot accept that which is different, and is hostile towards such elements.

Really?
The federation has acceptance as state religion. It was shown multiple times to be stupidly accepting of any culture - the prime directive being a prime example of that.
Many typhon pact members, on the other hand, are as racist as one can get.

 

[antonio107]

You are referring to Destiny, which ended the threat and the possibility of return of the Borg. It happens to be one of the best pieces of Treklit from the last decade, and is now available in a lovely collected format.

Hmm...alright, I'm curious now. I see Kobo only seems to the individual titles right now, so I may return to this after a brief hiatus!

It was because I read about Destiny that I even thought about reading modern Treklit, it sounded so revolutionary, ambitious and brilliantly conceived.

Well, it's one month later and I got through the Destiny trilogy in between exams. I think your characterization (above) was a bit of a hyperbole , but it was an O-K read I guess. I go into any story line involving the creepy cyborg-monsters who can't die, the Daleks--sorry, "The Borg" --with intense skepticism, and so the origins tell was quite suprisingly compelling. [Spoil]I thought it was a bit of a middle finger to her dead comrades for Erika Hernandez to just admit she was Caeliar and that was fine, but whatever. To say nothing of the billions of drones who (seemingly) aren't going back home to their families even if they could. [/Spoil]

So I guess Singular Destiny is next on the reading docket now, unless I'm missing something in between!

 

[DS9Continuing]

If you're really desperate for more DS9R, I know one author on Ad Astra called lvsxy808 who covers the 'tenth season' of DS9R. Another author who dabbles a bit in the 6th, 7th and 8th seasons of DS9 is Enterprise1981 another Ad Astra author. lvsxy808 has already completed fourteen out of the 22 stories he planning for his series. I myself do my own little DS9 'relaunch' but its set eighteen years after DS9 ended and sticks strictly to all Star Trek TV series/films in terms of canon after the Dominion war.

I haven't read any of the DS9R books but lvsxy808 is worth a look.

Wow - I just came in here to answer the OP's question by shamelessly plugging my own stuff, and I see that you've done it for me! That's quite gratifying. Thanks!

And I've actually uploaded as far as 16 now. And I'm in the middle of writing number 20.

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