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DS9 had the best and most confident season 1 episodes

Qonundrum

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At least for 80s/90s Trek.

This show, from the first minute, looks like money was put into it. More than TNG ever got, and by season 6 budget cuts in TNG were cringe inducing. Ditto for season 7 but the money clearly went to the right place. DS9 looks solid and phenomenal, in every aspect.

People say DS9's first season is varied and uneven in quality. While not untrue, since - despite appreciating much in "Move Along Home" and find it to be sorely underrated, it is nowhere near in the same league as the first three DS9 stories - which are as confident and polished as they get, for which character traits shown clearly continue into all the later seasons. Compare DS9's first three eps with the first three of TNG. TNG was floundering, of which "Farpoint" eclipses the two that follow in terms of quality and originality. TOS wasn't serialized, each episode was its own, and numerous early episodes all had elements that could have introduced the series on their own, rolling a six sided dice would have yielded the same result regardless of number that came up. VOY felt completely underwhelming, especially as DS9 introduced far better the sort of conflict that VOY was teasing at but never quite delivered on in that way, but did deliver on others... But back to DS9: The makers of DS9 had a lot pegged from the start, including the actors. And it shows.

The actors are all clearly well chosen and the first three episodes show much excellence from them all, with a hint of camaraderie forming behind all the tussles and trust issues, and the actors make their roles lively from the start and with confidence. (Some actors have wavering moments but, as a whole, the weakest scenes or performances never truly detract, even if the audience picks up on something theatrically off. And in Treks past, it's no different: the number of times Data cracked a nuance or, worse, a contraction were noticed, Picard underacted with a droning and pausing tone enough times that his underacting became a new form of overacting, and Kirk had plenty of overacting moments that were clearly picked up on by audiences as well... yet this is Star Trek, where the ham actually helps in more, less obvious ways as it detracts. Kirk made it iconic, later captain figures had their own moments that fit in all the same and in their own way, that could be a post on its own...)

Speaking of, TOS had a solid first season, with Kirk being far more interesting and well-rounded than a hammy speech machine, but TOS quickly became "the Big Three show" and with more "out there" plotlines and the occasional over-emotive monologue by Kirk that somehow compensated and justified even the dorkiest situation. His best monologue, about risk being in the frontier business, came from one of the more bizarre (IMHO) episodes, "Return to Tomorrow".

But that was TOS - thirty years later, storytelling in general had changed and TNG had a big part in making that change. And DS9 shows risk time and time again and again. DS9 boldly went where no Trek could go before with continuity and its status quo.
 
I would agree that DS9 had the best season 1 of the Berman-era series, but I think that there were still lots of issues that had to be worked through, some of them not being resolved until season 3. O'Brien was well established, and Kira was solidly rooted in terms of personality and the character's path of development. Quark was more or less who he was going to be. The other characters were more of a problem. Dax and Bashir were lost. Odo was underarticulated, though that was not fault of Auberjonois. And Sisko seemed aloof except during especially personal moments. I loved the scenes Brooks had with Lofton, Farrell, and Saviola, but otherwise he seemed bored. It was during season 2 that Odo and Sisko became more interesting (I would argue that Auberjonois may have started to run away with the series).

OTOH, the character of the series was being established quite well. The challenges the crew faced would not be morally simple, nor would they be solved by a wave of a tricorder.
 
For me, season 1 of TNG and VOY is so much more rewatchable than season 1 of DS9. The 80's cheesiness of early TNG holds great charm for me, and I think most of season 1 VOY was solidly good storytelling. Though overall, DS9 is my favorite series, by an enormous margin. Perhaps because DS9 improves and evolves so much that it makes the rough spots of the launch seem more glaring looking back.

I always love "Duet", "In The Hands Of The Prophets", and (most of) "Emissary." "Past Prologue" and "A Man Alone" are enjoyable early efforts that contain a lot of seeds of what will eventually make the series so great. The rest of them, I really struggle to even get through (back in the day I was even a big fan of some less-loved installments -- "Babel", "The Passenger", "The Forsaken" -- and I was surprised to find this fondness had gone away when I revisited them)

Also -- unpopular opinion alert -- I never liked "Captive Pursuit." Didn't like it then and don't like it now. Never understood why this was the early episode that popped for so many.
 
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I must agree that DS9 comes in the strongest. I found early TNG pretty rough, Voyager was boring and insanely frustrating in the first season, Enterprise had its moments in season 1 but didn't quite find its identity. DS9 was not perfect - I do think Sisko gets lost in the mix. Odo is intriguing but not as much as he will be later and Dax doesn't really come alive until season 2. Bashir has developing to do bit honestly for me I like him in season 1. Quark is Quark, Kira is wonderful from day one (Duet solidifies that), most of all perhaps, the station and the atmosphere of the show is there, it's distinctive and it's great from the pilot episode. It hooked me the quickest, for sure. Not that the show doesn't improve, but it still beats the other first Trek seasons.
 
It's amusing how crude the prosthetics are for Quark & Odo are in Season 1. Odos voice is also noticeably different.

I agree with the person who noted the aloofness of Sisko, and Dax & Bashir being "lost". Kira hit the ground running.

Alot of footage in season 1 looks like it was shot thru a diffusing filter.

When DS9 debuted, it was really a really intriguing change from TNG, and it looked like a lot of $$$ went into it. It's strengths and weaknesses became apparent quickly in the cast, characters & concept.

By Season 3 of its original run, I started to lose interest. It's interesting to view now in its totality on DVD and Netflix.
 
I also think it has a very solid season 1 but I think "Voyager" had a season 1 that was about as equally good to a point where I don't see one as being more superior than the other as whole. I think "Duet" might be the one thing that gives "DS9" a slight edge if I had to choose.

I also disagree that the Odo and Bashir character were kind of lost. In fact I think the Bashir character had a distinct personality as being young and naive and but also someone who was kind of cocky. It was the following seasons were he became kind of a blank slate, only being defined by his friendship with Garak and O'brien. Without that he was just the boring doctor who wants to help people and yada yada that stuff. It's why the genetic engineering stuff was a godsend. It finally gave him a little more depth IMO.

I also think SIsko was still being written a little to much like Picard or maybe I should say,Starfleet captain cliche behavior, at his point. He did have a great introduction though with the pilot episode.

I do think their was times when the show was still trying to hard to feel like TNG in the kind of stories they would do but I don't mind that since I do like TNG and the DS9 elements were enough to put a cool enough spin on that stuff for me. Granted it helps that I know that the show will become even more bold in the future and not be limited to these kind of stories in the future.

Jason
 
Dax was somewhat 'lost' as the PTB had it in mind that she would be a wise old sage in a young woman's body, its only in Season 2 that they realised that someone with 300+ years of life and experience would be up for embracing more of it and up for going out on adventures--though lots of shows have characters like that, whose initial pitch doesn't work and only over time find out just where they fit in the show.
 
Outside of the pilot, "Captive Pursuit" and "Duet", I find the first season pretty much unwatchable. The first seasons of TNG, Voyager and Enterprise are much more entertaining.

This is all in the context of not counting the original Star Trek.
 
I don't dislike Voyager, I love a lot about it and I think it gets some amazing stuff later on - but I find the first season almost unwatchable for some reason. Many reasons, I guess. So DS9 season 1 looks great in comparison for me.

I think that they had a pretty interesting concept with Dax and the 'old man in young woman's body' thing - but I suppose they soon realised it was quite a limited concept. Besides being a mentor for Sisko, she was a bit restricted. Mostly because she may have been 'the old man' but she wasn't Curzon and so a lot of the time in the early days I think it felt like Jadzia lived in Curzon's shadow too much. And I agree @Bry_Sinclair that they began to understand how someone like Jadzia would actually act/feel - that she would be excited by life, not weary of it, that she would embrace everything and anyone and have a passionate thirst for life. That's what made me (after season 1) fall in love with Jadzia.

So no, she wasn't fully-formed in season 1. Neither was Sisko, who I agree with @Jayson1 - definitely fell into a generic 'Starfleet' model at the start (after a more character-focused pilot episode they didn't seem as sure of what to do with him).

That said, I find Odo to be a pretty solid character in season one (:shifty: ;)). Although he gets better I think there is something about him early on that feels full of mystery and promise, before we discover his origins. And the constable angle is good and felt different to, for instance, Worf's role on a starship (or Tuvok's role later in Voyager) - I mean, unlike a Starfleet security officer, Odo actually got to really investigate crimes.

It basically goes without saying to me that Kira steals the show in season 1 (and for much of the show in general). And of course, O'Brien is great!

Bashir early season I will always defend. I think they knew who he was and although he develops into other areas with the genetically modified/Section 31 stuff later, I still think he had a good start and people disliking him never made sense to me. He had the inexperienced thing but the awkward arrogance made him stand out from the inexperienced but bland Harry Kim (sorry, I'm not just here to bash Voyager...).

So yeah overall I think DS9 was far from perfect in season 1, but it lured me in quicker than any other Trek and I think it came in stronger and more confident than the others, besides TOS.
 
Voyager has the most consistent, solid first season. But it has nothing that grabs my attention either. DS9 has Duet and I also enjoyed episodes like The Nagus and Dramatis Personae which I enjoyed more than anything in Voyager's first season.

TNG season 1 has some horrible episodes so horrible that it actually goes full circle and wins my affections, haha. But it also has some straight up good episodes; The Arsenal of Freedom, We'll Always Have Paris and The Neutral Zone.

So I'm probably more fond of TNG's first season but I'm more satisfied with DS9's first season and Voyager's first season is the most rounded.

This for 80/90s episodic Trek of course.

 
I love DS9's first season. Mostly all of it, but some of the characters get on my nerves.

There are things I like about TNG's first season that are severely lacking in later seasons, like the music, the mystery, the wonder, etc, but the acting, and dialogue, and preachiness makes me roll my eyes often.

I think the closest comparison would be Voyager. The two shows were 2 years apart. They were both developed by the same person(Michael Pillar) who went on as show runner the first two seasons of both shows. And they both premiered in January with only a half first season. DS9 had 19 episodes, and Voyager would have had the same but 4 or 5 episodes were pushed back to the second season(so they ended up with 14)

The stories are different of course. And I have to say that I feel Voyager's first season comes out a lot more competent imo. I think it's the acting. Mulgrew seems a lot stronger actress out the gate, and I like her performance better in s1-3. Neelix is one of the downsides of season 1. He has that great episode with the WMD scientist that destroyed his world, and he's just so intense, it's difficult to bear. On the other hand he's so good in "Phage." The Doctor gets great material right from the start.

I feel Avery Brooks gets a lot more natural in the latter half of DS9.

DS9 s1 is probably a little less polished as well. And the group dynamic more stilted compared to say s3 onward.

Enterprise season 1(which I also really enjoy) also has some awkward acting. The inter crew conflict feels really forced and immature at times, but it's a full (26 ep) season and there are many good ones.
 
One would expect the later shows (DSN/VOY/ENT) to be a little more polished in their first season, after all when TNG came out it was somewhat of a risk to begin with, plus by the time the later shows came around they had been making ST for several years sothe crew/creators would have a much better idea of things that work/don't work.
 
One would expect the later shows (DSN/VOY/ENT) to be a little more polished in their first season, after all when TNG came out it was somewhat of a risk to begin with, plus by the time the later shows came around they had been making ST for several years sothe crew/creators would have a much better idea of things that work/don't work.

I agree and we got to admit that it had to help to not have Gene Roddenberry getting involved. He simply was filled with bad idea's and only reason TNG worked was because of Pillar and even Rick Berman deserves some credit. I can only imagine what DS9 season 1 would have been like if Roddenberry had any control. SIsko giving a lecture to the Bajorans about why they shouldn't believe in the Prophets. Kira in a bunny suit.

Jason

Jason
 
They ran the spin-offs concurrently, used the same pool of writers, had feature films on the go and I certainly remember TNG badly struggling for budget in their last season. It's a wonder the spin-offs were as good as they were.
 
Maybe 'Least mediocre' is better than 'best'? DS9 had the least rocky start, but it still hadn't really found it's footing. Season 1 was more like 'Let's put rejected TNG scripts on a space station'.

I disagree Roddenberry was a negative effect on a series. Yeah, there's the famous 'Roddenberry box' that prevented conflict between characters. But it also forced the writers to be more creative and not lean on TV cliches. A lot of the best TNG episodes happened because they couldn't just have characters get pissed at each other then reach a greater understanding of each other.

If anything, the conflict between the Roddenberry Box and the head writers is what made the show great.
 
I disagree-I forget the episode but it had Odo being accused of a crime as its A Plot. In the episode Julian is still pursuing Jadzia she says "We find romance a nuisance." In the most awkward stilted way possible. Now I'm sure Terry hadn't yet gotten a full feel for the role but it was not pleasant to watch.

The Emissary is fine and so is Duet but other than that season 1 was not my favorite.
 
Yes but which had the overall better first season TNG, DSN or VOY?

For me TNG was the weakest first season, that isn't to say the others were great.
 
I would agree that DS9 had the best season 1 of the Berman-era series, but I think that there were still lots of issues that had to be worked through, some of them not being resolved until season 3. O'Brien was well established, and Kira was solidly rooted in terms of personality and the character's path of development. Quark was more or less who he was going to be. The other characters were more of a problem. Dax and Bashir were lost. Odo was underarticulated, though that was not fault of Auberjonois. And Sisko seemed aloof except during especially personal moments. I loved the scenes Brooks had with Lofton, Farrell, and Saviola, but otherwise he seemed bored. It was during season 2 that Odo and Sisko became more interesting (I would argue that Auberjonois may have started to run away with the series).

OTOH, the character of the series was being established quite well. The challenges the crew faced would not be morally simple, nor would they be solved by a wave of a tricorder.

I disagree that DS9 hit the ground running. That first season was overly dramatic, and the cheese. This show fixed Quark and Dax with humor. Confidence from seven lifetimes led to more humor. Quark was less bad guy and more mischievous. O'Brien was treated like the star of the show. Don't get me wrong--it had strong moments. But, it lacks the heart, the characters. They were going for dark too often. Kira needed to be less Ro Laren, and more Kira Nerys. The situations gave away too many opportunities to up-the-stakes for the Dominion threat. Have them explore! Make it a show about the Gamma Quadrant, not oppression, in its first two seasons. Keep the theme to the Bajorans. Then, when the Jem'Hadar appear, it's more than New Bahor. It's more than survival. It's all the knowledge to be gained, destroyed in the Gamma Quadrant, by this threat.

I would re-write a lot of seasons 1-3, to sharpen this. No Maquis. No nepotism or betrayal. Cheap parlor tricks. They should've done a lot more with the Gamma. A lot more.
 
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