DS9 Episodes- Silly Mistakes, NitPicks, Inaccuracies

[Marie1]

I'll try here in a bit...

Holy cow I saw it!! I'll post a pic when I have a chance.

I love it I love it I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Good eye buddy!

 

[zenfakor]

all good points.

 

[zenfakor]

now a borg/jemhadar, yes, could kill all, but they have that already, vger and klingon hybrid.

 

[zenfakor]

crazy

 

[Captrek]

Another dropped plot point, this one from “Profit and Loss.”

The Bajoran Provisional Government agreed to trade three Cardassian fugitives for six Bajoran prisoners. Then Odo, in the name of “justice,” let the Cardassian fugitives go. Do we ever find out what happened to the six Bajoran prisoners as a result of Bajor’s welching on the deal? I’m guessing it wasn’t pretty.

 

[Marie1]

It's another shot, close to this one, right after Martok fights, and the Jem Hadar are walking away, in the background, two Jem Hadar are walking away, and it looks like one is putting his arm around the shoulder of the other Jem Hadar.

It's quick and hard to make out, but that's what it looks like, can anyone see this one too, and get a shot of it?

You're right it's quick! But I got it.

 

[Nightdiamond]

That's it! You found it! That exactly what I was talking about.

I just never seen the Jem Hadar interact like that before. Since it was onscreen it's officially canon too. Obviously the writers and producers wanted to convey that.

I know they have a sense of respect for fellow Jem Hadar, but it seemed like they lacked a real concept of friendship- duty was all that mattered.

And another one, for the episode, "Jem Hadar" - Third Talak'lan sounds exactly Legate Broca, the Cardassian who replaced Damar as leader.

Listen the voice, and then look at the eyes of both characters, what does anyone else think or see?


Where did Eris beam off to after they discovered she was a spy?
Some speculate she must have commited suicide as Vorta do when they are captured, or to prevent capture.

No ships nearby, she didn't beam elsewhere on the station, where did she go?

 

[Captrek]

In “The Wire,” the medical computer has “insufficient data on Cardassian physiology.”

This used to be a Cardassian station, run by and largely populated by Cardassians. The station computer should have had extensive information on how to treat Cardassian patients. Did the Cardassians erase that information when they evacuated? Why would they? The availability of that information would be beneficial to any Cardassians residing on or passing through the station.

And why did Bashir have to go to Enabran Tain to get “knowledge of Cardassian biochemistry”? That doesn’t sound like sensitive information, even in a paranoid empire where almost everything is sensitive information. A call to any Cardassian medical school or hospital should do the trick, one would think. Bashir shouldn’t even have had to leave the station, and a runabout trip to Cardassia should be avoided in a situation where time is of the essence, especially in a Federation vessel, which often encounter problems when venturing into Cardassian space.

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In “The Collaborator,” Kira and Odo want Quark to do some hacking for them. He initially refuses, they ask again in a sterner tone of voice, and he complies. This would have been a perfect time to bring up “Invasive Procedures,” which as far as I can recall never had any consequences for Quark. They could have said Kira and Odo wanted to get rid of Quark after that incident, but decided to keep him around because he could be useful in a pinch, so he owes them this. I think Quark would have appreciated that reasoning.

 

[Navaros]

- 3 different versions of how Curzon died, all of which contradict each other.

- Rom is a completely different person in the early episodes than he is later on

- Rom trying to murder Quark is way over the line of acceptable behaviour yet Rom is still portrayed as an amazingly good person in later episodes

- All the things they decided to do at the last minute and then pretend it retconned in fine with earlier episodes that fundamentally contradict it created ludicrous plotholes that cannot be legitimately explained away with fan-made fabrications (although said fabrications are often attempted). Ie: the Bashir changeling, the Martok changeling, the wormhole aliens not knowing what humanity is and thinking the Sisko is their enemy even though prior to that point, they had already pre-meditated his birth with exacting detail for the express purpose that he is pre-destined to do their will etc. etc.

- The Martok changeling couldn't understand a very basic Klingon concept, yet had been undercover with them undetected for a very long period of time. Even though it is explained in the very same episode that even if the slightest thing is off about a fake Klingon, it would be detected instantly.

- The Sisko originally refers to his father in the past tense, implying that he was dead before the series started.

- got a new Defiant a couple of episodes after it got killed; how ridiculous

- new Defiant has wrong model numbers on it due to budget restrictions

- Odo is completely OOC by abandoning his lifelong committment to the relentless pursuit of justice at all costs, in order to instead obey a corrupt order that tells him he is not allowed to stop a genocide. Odo would never really obey a corrupt order like that; hence that is a ludicrous, character-assassinating plot contrivance.

- O'Brien changeling and his cohorts disappear out of the series, out of the blue instead of causing some trouble like they ominously alluded to.

- The Sisko bangs Mirror Dax under false pretenses which is very much akin to rape. Totally disgusting.

- The Sisko visits Kasidy instead of Jake, what a shameful insult to his own son.

- Vorta after Eris don't have telekinesis. Behr et al. said they thought the fans would 'forget' that Eris had that...yeah right! There is no reason the Vorta couldn't have continued to have TK and been awesome diplomats too

- The great fubaring of Dukat, all because Behr was inexplicably mad at himself for allowing Dukat to not be a vastly uninteresting, typical one-dimensional caricature?!!!

- Jem'Hadar should have been beaming into the station constantly for terrorist suicide attacks, like they showed they had the capability to in The Jem'Hadar

- Jem'Hadar never cloak in episode where cloaking would prevent easy plot contrivances from being able to occur

- Jadzia was supposed to eat the Albino's heart, yet after she dies Worf says she never ate the heart of her enemy

- Jadzia has the boldfaced gall to criticize Victor Hugo for writing one-dimensional female characters, yet she herself is one of the most one-dimensional female characters of all-time.

- Some baddies do not get dealt with in one of the Garak episodes, Second Skin perhaps

- Odo grabs Nog in Emissary but to do that first he had to let go of the huge freaky alien who just threw a mace at his head

- Nog doesn't wanna save the life of his own grandmother...how sick of him, yet he is still portrayed as an amazingly good person.

- The Ferengi tolerate their race being ruined into a carbon-copy of hew-mons just because Iska says so. Yeah right...more like, civil war and insurgencies would rock Feringinar.

- Sisko calls the Bajorans "Bajora" yet they are also refered to as "Bajorans".

- Letting the escape pods go to 'decrease morale' is utterly ridiculous. Morale doesn't matter on a spaceship...this isn't the middle ages where battles to the death were fought hand-to-hand in the field.

- Breen are super powerful in one episode and then easily defeated as if they are nothing in the next

- After Season 1, no one seems to care much that Winn created a conspiracy to commit murder

- The Sisko harboring sour grapes about racism in the 1960's...should have moved on instead of holding all that sour grapes in him that far into the future.

- In later episodes Jem'Hadar are dumbed-down into mindless cattle rather than the fearsome individual warriors they started out as; again for the sake of easy plot contrivances

- Female Founder agreeing to surrender after promising to fight to the last man a second earlier. I don't buy any of the fan excuses for this like "she had to surrender so her people didn't die". IMO no way, because as aforementioned, Odo would have saved TGL no matter what, period, because it is his nature to be a good & just man, therefore there is no way he could do anything else.

- Quark agreeing to have his member chopped off in Profit and Lace --- yeah right, no man would ever agree to that, especially not Quark.

- Gold is referred to having value and being desired by Quark in Babel, Little Green Men, and possibly other episodes, yet is said to be worthless in Who Mourns for Morn.

- Odo's combadge

- recycled stock footage

- O'Brien loves Keiko yet there is never any believable reason put on-screen as to why this is so.

- Humans very clearly use money in DS9, yet the DS9 show still sometimes straddles the line by trying to accept TNG's statement about money instead of going all-out on its own choice to disregard TNG's statement about that

- The Sisko is never brought up on charges for poisoning the Maquis planet

- The Federation are supposed to be noble heroes of the show, yet they willingly enforce a genocide; which is mutually exclusive with being a noble hero

- Odo is portrayed as going to TGL to 'spread humanity'; yet humanity just tried to commit genocide against them and hence TGL will most certainly tell Odo to take h pro-human propaganda and shove it. Additionally, it is vastly OOC for Odo to still support humanity after they tried to commit genocide against his people.

- A counsellor (Ezri) suddenly becomes a bridge officer for no good reason

- According to previous canon statements, Klingons are only allowed to challenge their direct superiors to duels. Therefore, Worf would have had to challenge and kill Martok before he could challenge and kill Gowron.

- Worf promises to be a good father to Alex and teach him how to be a Klingon; then sends him away and abandons him again a few weeks later.

- Inside Sloan's mind looks like DS9

- The Sisko goes ballistic and holds a grudge about Eddington being a Maquis traitor yet doesn't give the slightest darn that Kasidy is one too.

 

[Nightdiamond]

3 different versions of how Curzon died, all of which contradict each other.

I never caught those; Can you mention some here?

- Rom is a completely different person in the early episodes than he is later on

True - In the earlier episodes, Rom appears ...less goofy, and somewhat more headstrong, very Frengi- Later he's seen as more heroic, but more goofy.

- Rom trying to murder Quark is way over the line of acceptable behaviour yet Rom is still portrayed as an amazingly good person in later episodes

Spot on- He was going to push Quark out of the airlock and seemed closed to doing it too. The episode made it looked as if this was natural behavior for Ferengi.

Later, they seem overprotective of each other, and Rom is made to look very innocent, heroic, and decent- true nit.

O'Brien changeling and his cohorts disappear out of the series, out of the blue instead of causing some trouble like they ominously alluded to.

Good nit and a fubar of the Dominion war too. A changeling on earth, even impersonated Admiral Leighton, claimed they had only begun, and yet nothing came of it!

I suppose we could say that Starfleet increased its security measures so that the changeling found it too difficult to infiltrate it- or even ran into a lethal boobytrap designed for changelings-which might explain why the infiltration threat suddenly just went away.


- Letting the escape pods go to 'decrease morale' is utterly ridiculous. Morale doesn't matter on a spaceship...this isn't the middle ages where battles to the death were fought hand-to-hand in the field.

A Fubar, the first priority for the people in those escape pods was to find a way to protect themselves from the weapon, and they eventually did.

One problem I noticed with the Founders and the Dominion; They overdo everything. The way they chose the Cardassian leaders, breeding new Jem Hadar specifically for the Alpha Quadrant, etc.

All of which backfired on them.

- Worf promises to be a good father to Alex and teach him how to be a Klingon; then sends him away and abandons him again a few weeks later

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Makes no sense, we only see Alexander once afterward and that's it. We all know Worf is a good person,- we know he loves Alexander- but from T.N.G to DS9, it really makes you wonder what type of father he is.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

All the things they decided to do at the last minute and then pretend it retconned in fine with earlier episodes that fundamentally contradict it created ludicrous plotholes that cannot be legitimately explained away with fan-made fabrications (although said fabrications are often attempted). Ie: the Bashir changeling, the Martok changeling, the wormhole aliens not knowing what humanity is and thinking the Sisko is their enemy even though prior to that point, they had already pre-meditated his birth with exacting detail for the express purpose that he is pre-destined to do their will etc. etc.

While I can't answer all of those, the part about Sisko being the one to teach the Prophets about linear time... That's just it - they don't exist in time the way we perceive it. Sisko has to teach them about linear time. The way it came across to me was that the Prophets exist in all moments - at the moment Sisko is explaining the point of baseball, he's also there with the guy who thought he was the Emissary, and he's also there asking the Prophets to stop the Dominion fleet, AND he's also there after the whole thing in the fire caves.

- Letting the escape pods go to 'decrease morale' is utterly ridiculous. Morale doesn't matter on a spaceship...this isn't the middle ages where battles to the death were fought hand-to-hand in the field.

The female Changeling has a low view of the solids - she thinks she understands how they tick, because they're such simple creatures. Given that she thinks that the Dominion conquest is inevitable, she expects that the allied forces getting their asses handed to them so casually is going to shatter them. She's wrong, but that's part of her arrogance.

- The Sisko harboring sour grapes about racism in the 1960's...should have moved on instead of holding all that sour grapes in him that far into the future.

Aren't there still people who hold sour grapes for the enslavement of Africans? You gonna tell THEM to just move on from it? That's usually a one-way ticket to getting called prejudiced or racist.

Also, Sisko did have a recent experience of that racism first-hand in 'Far Beyond The Stars' - now that it was more real for him, I wouldn't be surprised if that was coloring his opinion.

- recycled stock footage

Okay, that's just an over-the-top complaint - they can't help the use of stock footage, because it helps to save on costs elsewhere to not have to create a whole new shot for every exterior scene.

- O'Brien loves Keiko yet there is never any believable reason put on-screen as to why this is so.

That's a matter of opinion. And ultimately, the blame for any lack of build up to the relationship rests on TNG's shoulders, not DS9's - the first time we met Keiko was when she was getting cold feet before the wedding. We never saw the courtship.

- A counsellor (Ezri) suddenly becomes a bridge officer for no good reason

Deanna is a counselor and she's a bridge officer - all it took was undergoing a holoprogram where she sent Geordi to his death and she was qualified. It's not that difficult to be rated for bridge officer duty, and Sisko gets to decide how the duties are handed out when he's in command. He's always trusted Dax's opinion, and he's obviously not going to let the fact that Dax is now in the body of a junior officer stand in the way of that.

- The Sisko goes ballistic and holds a grudge about Eddington being a Maquis traitor yet doesn't give the slightest darn that Kasidy is one too.

Eddington was a Starfleet officer who betrayed the uniform. Kasidy was a civilian trader who attempted to help those in need. There IS a distinction there.

 

[Captrek]

the wormhole aliens not knowing what humanity is and thinking the Sisko is their enemy even though prior to that point, they had already pre-meditated his birth with exacting detail for the express purpose that he is pre-destined to do their will etc. etc.

The wormhole aliens are a tough concept to get one’s mind around. I struggle with this concept of not experiencing linear time.

Beings that do not experience linear time cannot change or learn as we understand it. They say in “Emissary” that they do not have “ignorance of what is to come,” so they don’t learn the way we do, where we don’t know something, then we learn it, then we know it.

Whatever the wormhole aliens know, they always have known it and always will know it. They’re not omniscient, so whatever knowledge they have they still have to acquire at some point, but when they acquire that knowledge doesn’t matter. At some point, Sisko has to explain to them that he is not their enemy — one might say this conversation is “destined to happen” — but they have always known it and always will. That the conversation itself appears to take place in linear time is an illusion created for Sisko’s benefit.

- Sisko calls the Bajorans "Bajora" yet they are also refered to as "Bajorans".

So? It’s like Missouri being pronounced both muh-ZUR-ee and muh-ZUR-uh. Both are acceptable.

- O'Brien loves Keiko yet there is never any believable reason put on-screen as to why this is so.

Why does Saul Tigh love Ellen? Love isn’t always logical. Maybe she’s incredible in the sack.

- A counsellor (Ezri) suddenly becomes a bridge officer for no good reason

She certainly had all the necessary skills and experience, thanks to her symbiont. So Sisko assigned her where he needed her.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

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-The Sisko visits Kasidy instead of Jake, what a shameful insult to his own son. -

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Kasidy was carrying his second child, so that might have something to do with it.


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-Sisko calls the Bajorans "Bajora" yet they are also refered to as "Bajorans". -

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Not a problem. "The Bajora" is their cultural identity, "Bajoran" their species/race.

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-The Sisko harboring sour grapes about racism in the 1960's...should have moved on instead of holding all that sour grapes in him that far into the future.-

Maybe the Benny Russell experience is responsible; it's fresh in his head?

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- In later episodes Jem'Hadar are dumbed-down into mindless cattle rather than the fearsome individual warriors they started out as; again for the sake of easy plot contrivances.

True. A shame. The post-finale novels have redeemed them, though.

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- Quark agreeing to have his member chopped off in Profit and Lace --- yeah right, no man would ever agree to that, especially not Quark.

The entire episode is a load of rubbish, but I found it particularly unbelievable that Quark would do what he did here when he doesn't support the new ideas. Brunt as Grand Nagus would be bad, but I don't see that as enough justification for him to actively work against his beliefs, which are always shown as greatly important to him.


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- The Federation are supposed to be noble heroes of the show, yet they willingly enforce a genocide; which is mutually exclusive with being a noble hero.

Does the word Minbari mean anything to you?

Nobility and heroism is not incompatible with what most people would consider immoral or unacceptable activities. If it were, given my moral standards and how they differ from most people's, I would be forced to conclude no-one other than myself was noble . Tolerance is necessary, and dismissing those who offend your morality gets you nowhere.

Anyway, it was Section 31 who attempted genocide. The Federation didn't support it, they simply refused to give the Founders the cure, frightened of the consequences after a brutal war had waged for two years, with the Founders attempting to subjugate them. Sad and disappointing, but not unrealistic. Also, does not Odo's action in the finale demonstrate the Federation was wrong?

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- Odo is portrayed as going to TGL to 'spread humanity'; yet humanity just tried to commit genocide against them and hence TGL will most certainly tell Odo to take h pro-human propaganda and shove it. Additionally, it is vastly OOC for Odo to still support humanity after they tried to commit genocide against his people.

Again, simply because some humans attempted genocide, doesn't mean "humanity" itself is guilty of anything. Anyway, the post-finale books have indeed shown that Odo is having difficulty convincing the Great Link to trust the solids following Section 31's actions.

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- A counsellor (Ezri) suddenly becomes a bridge officer for no good reason .

A war was on, and she had the experience and intelligence resources of the ship's old science officer.


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-Worf promises to be a good father to Alex and teach him how to be a Klingon; then sends him away and abandons him again a few weeks later..

Well, Alexander is a warrior now, and goes where he is sent. That seems part of being a Klingon to me. However, yes, you're right that Worf's inability to be a good parent should have been explored in more detail, as it is the biggest stain on his honour.

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- Inside Sloan's mind looks like DS9.

Sloan lulling O'Brien and Bashir into a false sense of security? Manipulating them? He certainly is at other points in that episode.

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- The Sisko goes ballistic and holds a grudge about Eddington being a Maquis traitor yet doesn't give the slightest darn that Kasidy is one too.

Yes, but he doesn't love Eddington, does he? It may be hypocritical, but who isn't hypocrytical when love is taken into account? Also, it was more Eddington's "I'm a hero fighting the oppression of the Federation" attitude that angered Sisko; Kasidy had more sympathetic reasons for aiding the Maquis, if I recall. Plus Eddington is Starfleet; Sisko takes the Starfleet oath very seriously.

 

[Nightdiamond]

While I can't answer all of those, the part about Sisko being the one to teach the Prophets about linear time... That's just it - they don't exist in time the way we perceive it.

Sisko has to teach them about linear time. The way it came across to me was that the Prophets exist in all moments - at the moment Sisko is explaining the point of baseball, he's also there with the guy who thought he was the Emissary, and he's also there asking the Prophets to stop the Dominion fleet, AND he's also there after the whole thing in the fire caves.

This one gets complicated - because the episodes both support the nit and the rebuttal;

One nit that frequently appears is that the Prophets arranged Sisko's birth, yet in the second episode, had no idea who he was or what he was, or what corporeal beings were.

Later, they proclaim him the Emissary themselves, and insist on directing his 'path'.

Support for captrek's point of view- once the Prophets recognize Sisko as the Emissary, they don't forget afterwards, they continue to recognize him as such, no asking, "what are you?" What is this game?

Here's the support for DGCATANISIRI's point of view- the Kai had already recognized Sisko as the Emissary in the very first episode, and so did a cleric. That means the Prophets were aware of it themselves, though they questioned Sisko about it, the first time they met him.

The idea that at the same time they were settling the matter between Sisko and the Bajoran who thought he was the Emissary, they were encounting Sisko for the first time, discussing the Dominion invasion with Sisko etc. is very interesting, even fascinating.

It kind of gives them an interesting depth that the Q doesn't have.

- Worf promises to be a good father to Alex and teach him how to be a Klingon; then sends him away and abandons him again a few weeks later.

Well, Alexander is a warrior now, and goes where he is sent. That seems part of being a Klingon to me. However, yes, you're right that Worf's inability to be a good parent should have been explored in more detail, as it is the biggest stain on his honour.

I think T.N.G messed up on some of the continuity of their relationship- at some points they really seem to get along and are close, then suddenly Alexander disappears from the show.

At the time Alexander was gone from the Enterprise, it appeared as if their relationship was stronger, and Alexander had no problems. Alexander was missing from the movie "Generations".

In "Way of the Warrior" Worf places a picture of young Alexander on his desk, which was kind of touching, and signified that he though of Alexander.

And he also said that Alexander was happier staying with his parents than he ever was on the Enterprise. Wrong- Later on DS9, Alexander is really, really angry with Worf, and claims Worf sent him away to live with his parents.

It's hard to get out of that nit.



Ezri on the bridge reminds me of BE'lona being made chief engineer because she knows everything about ship engines... she had only one year academy training..

 

[Gary Mitchell]

- The Sisko bangs Mirror Dax under false pretenses which is very much akin to rape. Totally disgusting.

Where do you get rape from that?
The mirror universe Jadzia is totally different than "our" Jadzia. She has had completely different experiences and is nowhere near the same person. Even if Sisko boinked "our" Jadzia under false pretenses it would not be considered rape.

 

[Marie1]

That's it! You found it! That exactly what I was talking about.

I just never seen the Jem Hadar interact like that before. Since it was onscreen it's officially canon too. Obviously the writers and producers wanted to convey that.

I know they have a sense of respect for fellow Jem Hadar, but it seemed like they lacked a real concept of friendship- duty was all that mattered.

And another one, for the episode, "Jem Hadar" - Third Talak'lan sounds exactly Legate Broca, the Cardassian who replaced Damar as leader.

Listen the voice, and then look at the eyes of both characters, what does anyone else think or see?

Usually when we see Jem'Hadar, they're in Fed. territory working, in battle/ a mission/working on a ship, or what happened in R&S. In IPS/BIL they were all together on their turf, so they could be more relaxed with each other. It makes sense there'd be more friendship if it was going to exist at all. And I agree that the writers wanted in touched on.

I didn't see Talak'talon as a Broca, the former wasn't as much of a suck-up. I liked Ron Moore's description of Talak'talon- he doesn't swagger, he's the best, and he knows it. It's on MA somewhere, he talks about him. I'll find it after Atlantis.

Edit (from MA on "the Jem'Hadar": Michael Westmore explains, "...what makes Star Trek so interesting is that you give the creature the same feel and meanness by putting little horns all around the face. It makes them dangerous - if you bump into one, you're going to bleed. So you know automatically that you never get close to the Jem'Hadar." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)

Trying to find that "swagger" line... oh, from the script:
Talak'talan, like all Jem'Hadar, carries himself with a
certain relaxed confidence. He's not the kind of stiff-backed
spit-and-polish Cardassian soldier we're used to. Nor does
he swagger like a Klingon. He knows he's the best, and has
nothing to prove.

 

[Nightdiamond]

Usually when we see Jem'Hadar, they're in Fed. territory working, in battle/ a mission/working on a ship, or what happened in R&S. In IPS/BIL they were all together on their turf, so they could be more relaxed with each other. It makes sense there'd be more friendship if it was going to exist at all. And I agree that the writers wanted in touched on.

I didn't see Talak'talon as a Broca, the former wasn't as much of a suck-up. I liked Ron Moore's description of Talak'talon- he doesn't swagger, he's the best, and he knows it. It's on MA somewhere, he talks about him. I'll find it after Atlantis.

Edit (from MA on "the Jem'Hadar": Michael Westmore explains, "...what makes Star Trek so interesting is that you give the creature the same feel and meanness by putting little horns all around the face. It makes them dangerous - if you bump into one, you're going to bleed. So you know automatically that you never get close to the Jem'Hadar." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)

Trying to find that "swagger" line... oh, from the script:
Talak'talan, like all Jem'Hadar, carries himself with a
certain relaxed confidence. He's not the kind of stiff-backed
spit-and-polish Cardassian soldier we're used to. Nor does
he swagger like a Klingon. He knows he's the best, and has
nothing to prove.

I found out, they're two different actors, but the voice and eyes really threw meoff, thought they were the same actor!

It's a small bit, but out of all the Jem Hadar episodes, it seems to show the most close interaction between them.

Since their culture is artficially designed, and based mainly on duty to the Founders, I've always been curious certain aspects of it;

where do they get their names - random computer results? Does someone actually give them their names individually?

What happens to Honored Elders eventually?

Another nit I can't resolve- Througout Trek, I've seen computer consoles and pads-but never any individual letters on them!

Yet the crew will often have to send complex messages to other places or decks.
In "Explorers", Bashir is trying to talk with the Lexington's Doctor - Dax keeps bugging him (on purpose), so Julian picks up a pad which when you look at it, appears to have no letters on it.

Julian types something on it real fast, and you can see in big letters "GO AWAY"- yet there were no letters on that pad, or words that I can see.

So how do 24th century people make words on computers that don't have letters?

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Since their culture is artficially designed, and based mainly on duty to the Founders, I've always been curious certain aspects of it;

where do they get their names - random computer results? Does someone actually give them their names individually?

What happens to Honored Elders eventually?

The books have suggested the First overseeing each newly hatched unit names the young. Given that the language Weyoun used in one DS9 episode contained many apostrophes splitting words into two, I'm guessing the names are words from the official Dominion language (Vorta, perhaps?). "Klan" seems a common ending, maybe it means "warrior" or something.

I don't know what happens to Honoured Elders. In the books, 22 year old Honoured Elder Taran'atar is unsure himself...

 

[Nightdiamond]

Since their culture is artficially designed, and based mainly on duty to the Founders, I've always been curious certain aspects of it;

where do they get their names - random computer results? Does someone actually give them their names individually?

What happens to Honored Elders eventually?

The books have suggested the First overseeing each newly hatched unit names the young. Given that the language Weyoun used in one DS9 episode contained many apostrophes splitting words into two, I'm guessing the names are words from the official Dominion language (Vorta, perhaps?). "Klan" seems a common ending, maybe it means "warrior" or something.

I don't know what happens to Honoured Elders. In the books, 22 year old Honoured Elder Taran'atar is unsure himself...

That's an interesting concept that a Jem Hadar First does the naming. I assumed something like that must happen. Obviously they need names, but given their artificial culture, it was hard to see where they got them from.



It's also intriguing the way Jem Hadar are made-to-order like weapons or parts. "You fight, because that is what you were designed to do".

The infants are even in kept in "cold storage" so that they are available when they are needed.


I asked the question about what happens with Honored Elders because in "Little Ship" The new Jem Hadar First talks about the mission that they're on as being the Honored Elder's last mission.

The new First replaced the Honored Elder as First, and the Honored Elder was demoted to Second. He could had stayed Second, but it was obvious they were going to replace him after the mission, so where was he going to go?

 

[Marie1]

^ He couldn't have stayed second, I don't think. The position of second is too active, and it is obvious from that ep that an elder finishes their career. I'd imagine they train the very young or have, since they are "honoured" some kind of other role- maybe training advanced tactics or something... things you can't implant.

And we've seen letters on pads etc. Babel for instance... I think that's what it was called.