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Drop the S31 show for a Captain Pike show?

Drop the Section 31 show for a the Pike show?

  • Yes, I want a Pike show, and do not want a Section 31 show.

    Votes: 124 55.9%
  • No, I want a Section 31 show, and do not want a show with Pike.

    Votes: 9 4.1%
  • I want a show that feature both Pike and crew on the Enterprise and Section 31 with Georgiou.

    Votes: 23 10.4%
  • I trust CBS to give me something I will like!

    Votes: 12 5.4%
  • I want to see both! as separate shows.

    Votes: 54 24.3%

  • Total voters
    222
If they were smart, they would do that. They'd go back to an episodic format, get the best living Trek writers, and make a show that fans can love and rally around. But they're not smart, so no, they won't and if they did it would be more of the same, rambling incoherent "arcs", cardboard characters, endless canon violations, bad science, junk action and lame melodrama. So better that they don't. But hey, they gave us 2 minutes of legit ST. That's a lot for these people.

The only episodic Star Trek you're going to get is probably in the animated series being made. What I'd do is have a serialised Star Trek series set a hundred years or so after TNG that isn't reliant on TOS to prop itself up. It would have a group of well developed core characters and not be any one particular character's "story" and be about exploring strange new worlds, encountering new life and weird space phenomenon like Star Trek is supposed to be and not red angle crap every episode.
 
The only episodic Star Trek you're going to get is probably in the animated series being made. What I'd do is have a serialised Star Trek series set a hundred years or so after TNG that isn't reliant on TOS to prop itself up. It would have a group of well developed core characters and not be any one particular character's "story" and be about exploring strange new worlds, encountering new life and weird space phenomenon like Star Trek is supposed to be and not red angle crap every episode.

I agree 100% But I fear we're in the minority, for some strange reason. Trek has a format, fans want the format. The format is ensemble cast, almost equal share in character episodes, well written episodic drama and plausible science fiction. Heck, I think Enterprise did "arc" very well in the 4th season, but it was taking its time with the characters, it wasn't some nonsense strung together with a lot of gimmicks.
 
Was Star Trek ever truly an ensemble show to begin with? TOS was basically the Kirk & Spock show, with the occasional McCoy who wasn't even included in the main credits until Season 2. TNG was mostly about Picard & Data, with Worf being shoehorned in whenever they wanted to do a Klingon story (otherwise his role was getting his butt kicked and having every single one of his suggestions be summarily dismissed by Picard). Voyager was a Janeway, Seven and the Doctor affair, and Enterprise was openly mimicking TOS with the Archer-T'Pol-Trip power trio. Most episodes were about these people and just because we had an occasional Troi, Harry or Hoshi episode, that doesn't make them ensemble shows. The only series that legitimately comes close to a true ensemble was DS9 where some of the recurring cast eventually become more plot-important and received more character development than some of the main characters (looking at you, Jake).
 
I agree 100% But I fear we're in the minority, for some strange reason. Trek has a format, fans want the format. The format is ensemble cast, almost equal share in character episodes, well written episodic drama and plausible science fiction. Heck, I think Enterprise did "arc" very well in the 4th season, but it was taking its time with the characters, it wasn't some nonsense strung together with a lot of gimmicks.
Ensemble is not really the format though. I'm a Trek fan and I don't want any particular format other than action/adventure and commentary. That's it. Kirk, Spock and McCoy were the mains, Picard and Data for TNG (so much so that actors got frustrated). I think DS9 was the closest to ensemble and ENT tried to recreate TOS.
 
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They also have to be(come) an active, successful, experienced showrunner to make a proper dent in the franchise, and RDM of course would bring in several of his former colleagues.
 
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They also have to be(come) an active, successful, experienced showrunner to make a proper dent in the franchise, and RDM of course would bring in several of his former colleagues.

I happen to be a fan of Ron Moore's but I think this is the absolute last thing that should happen. We are now in the third generation of Star Trek, so we should have a different generation of writers to match it. If the current crop of writers were to be replaced, they should be replaced with other new writers. The old guard shouldn't be brought back.
 
But you have that on DSC and it hasn’t really worked. These newcomers feel they need a legacy framework to compromise upon, whereas RDM has said he’d just reboot the whole thing and figure out everything on the page.
 
But you have that on DSC and it hasn’t really worked. These newcomers feel they need a legacy framework to compromise upon, whereas RDM has said he’d just reboot the whole thing and figure out everything on the page.
So he gets to make it up as he goes? How is that different than what people accuse current DSC production team of doing? Never mind all the BTS drama.
 
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