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Dragon Age II

And in related news, DA2 has been taken off Steam as a result. Apparently insisting that players can only buy DLC from an in-game (menu screen) store violates Valve's terms and conditions.

I just hope this Steam vs. Origin nonsense is settled before ME3 comes out.
 
^ Meh, I could literally not care less about the whole EA vs Valve digital distribution affair.

As long as there are physical copies available, I'll get phyisical copies ;)
 
That's fine so long as they've stopped using terrible DRM on the shop bought copies. From what I've heard the DRM on the PC version of Mass Effect was particularly nasty. With Steam, you don't have to worry about that.

If I have to choose between using a client other than Steam or pain in the arse anti-piracy software...well then I just might not buy the damn game.
 
That's fine so long as they've stopped using terrible DRM on the shop bought copies. From what I've heard the DRM on the PC version of Mass Effect was particularly nasty. With Steam, you don't have to worry about that.
You don't have to worry about that if the developers removed their own DRM. Sometimes the Steam version has both.
 
That's fine so long as they've stopped using terrible DRM on the shop bought copies. From what I've heard the DRM on the PC version of Mass Effect was particularly nasty. With Steam, you don't have to worry about that.

If I have to choose between using a client other than Steam or pain in the arse anti-piracy software...well then I just might not buy the damn game.
Well, I've been an avid PC gamer in the past, but I've come to accept that the lead platforms are consoles now, specifically the 360.

Lead platform is where the money is made, so I buy games for the platform they were developed for :shrug:

(Don't get me wrong, I totally understand where you're coming from and draconic DRM sucks balls.)
 
Well, I've been an avid PC gamer in the past, but I've come to accept that the lead platforms are consoles now, specifically the 360.

Lead platform is where the money is made, so I buy games for the platform they were developed for :shrug:

That's sort of backwards. The lead platform is the one the dev expects to sell the most so they spend the most time on it. It doesn't generate more profit per unit. Buying for the lead platform doesn't give the dev more money, but it does mean that the non-lead platforms could be given less attention in future releases.

On the Steam thing... it literally has nothing to do with Origin. I find the narrative that an overwhelming majority of commentators are constructing about this issue to be highly confusing. DA2 continues to be available on Impulse, Direct2Drive, etc and the idea that this has to do with EA "forcing" people to use Origin (in the same way Valve "forces" people to use Steam for all of their own releases) is simply not supported by the facts.
 
Well, I've been an avid PC gamer in the past, but I've come to accept that the lead platforms are consoles now, specifically the 360.

Lead platform is where the money is made, so I buy games for the platform they were developed for :shrug:

That's sort of backwards. The lead platform is the one the dev expects to sell the most so they spend the most time on it. It doesn't generate more profit per unit. Buying for the lead platform doesn't give the dev more money
I didn't say I intended to "give the dev more money" now, did I? ;)

I thought my meaning was obvious, but I probably should have been more clear: I make a conscious purchasing decision in that I choose to buy games on the platforms they are developed for because I as a consumer (in most cases) benefit from that focus - e.g. UIs and controls that are tailored to the lead platform, performance related factors such as FPS and stability, even complete, platform-exclusive features.

Not buying for lead platforms isn't a dumb move per se, it can even be a smart move in terms of voting with your feet/wallet. I respect people who still buy most if not all games on PC. I'm just not one of them. Not anymore.
 
I thought my meaning was obvious, but I probably should have been more clear: I make a conscious purchasing decision in that I choose to buy games on the platforms they are developed for because I as a consumer (in most cases) benefit from that focus - e.g. UIs and controls that are tailored to the lead platform, performance related factors such as FPS and stability, even complete, platform-exclusive features.

Yes, and that of course makes perfect sense. Consider my comment cheerfully withdrawn!
 
Not buying for lead platforms isn't a dumb move per se, it can even be a smart move in terms of voting with your feet/wallet. I respect people who still buy most if not all games on PC. I'm just not one of them. Not anymore.

In my case it's not a matter of preference but of finance. I own a PC and I use it for a number of things, including gaming. I really just can't afford to spend several hundred quid on a current-gen console plus the £30-40 cost per game (last time I checked.) Indeed, PC games tend to be cheeper, if not on release then they usually drop in price very sharply...and then there's the quarterly Steam sales... ;)

On the Steam thing... it literally has nothing to do with Origin. I find the narrative that an overwhelming majority of commentators are constructing about this issue to be highly confusing. DA2 continues to be available on Impulse, Direct2Drive, etc and the idea that this has to do with EA "forcing" people to use Origin (in the same way Valve "forces" people to use Steam for all of their own releases) is simply not supported by the facts.

I don't claim to be an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but from what I've been reading it's because Valve are the only download service (or whatever you call these things) that has this proviso in their terms of service. Now let's get real, EA must have a TON of lawyers and I'm sure they're well aware of the terms they agreed to when they put content up on Steam so this really can't be anything but an intentional manoeuvre on their part.

As for those other services you mention; I don't think there's any denying that Steam absolutely dominates this corner of the market. Everyone else is next to insignificant by comparison and if EA are serious about making a go of Origin then Steam is the competition they need to beat. Put simply, EA doesn't care about the others.

As you say though, Valve can't exactly take the high ground as they forced thousands if not millions of gamers to install Steam if they wanted to play Half-Life 2. The difference is though, they got there first. WAY ahead of anyone else and have consistently proven that they have their customers' interests in mind and are not just out to gouge their customers. EA on the other hand...well let's just say their recent track record makes me very wary of installing any kind of proprietary software. I mean what if the service folds? What happens to your games then?

Granted that's also a concern with Steam, but I think they're more likely to be around when the dust settles.
 
Sounds a bit like the ME2 DLC that added thiefy lady whose name I can't remember but it started with K...

Didn't Day do a Dragon Age short film? Is this the same character she played in that? Actually read below the first post in the thread and it seems it is. Pity I never got to see it.
 
It's the same character, but the webseries she's starring in hasn't been released yet. Tallis (Day's character) is just a one-off character, she won't be added to the main roster like Kasumi was in ME2.
 
Can't say as I'm terribly enthused by this. Dragon Age as a franchise doesn't exactly have a good track record when it comes to DLC and the reviews of Legacy seemed to bear that out. Not that it matters much one way or another since I've uninstalled DAII to make room for another go at KOTOR. ;)
 
I actually enjoyed Legacy a great deal. I would have liked to have seen that be the focal point of DA2's third act rather than the mess we ended up getting instead.
 
^I think that's what disappointed me the most about DAII. All that build up and all you get in act 3 are some hasty side missions and a binary "pick a side" cutscene. To be fair though, the statue munti-boss fight was more enjoyable than the arch demon fight in DA:O and miles better than the bloody awful scrap with the Qunari bloke in Act 2.

As for Legacy, I actually cheated and had a look at a bit of a playthrough vid on youtube and I wasn't impressed. The only think I liked were the new bits of character banter (one thing DAII did *VERY* well) but I'm not about to pay money just for that.
 
The next DLC for DA2 comes out today.

The first episode of Dragon Age; Redemption is also out. Not bad, it has the made on a tight budget look, but its an interesting start.
 
I'm currently downloading the new DLC. Probably won't have chance to give it a go before Sunday though.
 
Ah, thank you for reminding me! I just actually started a new DA2 playthrough a couple days ago. I was pleasantly surprised by Legacy, hopefully Mark of the Assassin will be good, too.
 
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