The main issue with TLV was how confusing it was in terms of what order you were supposed to go through it all in, which is definitely not the case here. (They also kept very quiet about the fact that the two novels were the story and everything else was purely optional.)
"Doom's Day" multi-media event coming later this year.
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The main issue with TLV was how confusing it was in terms of what order you were supposed to go through it all in, which is definitely not the case here. (They also kept very quiet about the fact that the two novels were the story and everything else was purely optional.)
Ahh, so a lot of the over the top vitriol I saw today makes a lot more sense now that I found out that it has more to with Kempner being a trans rights activist rather than people being genuinely aggrieved over some books and audios they can easily ignore.
That sad fecker Graham Linehan didn't get the memo though, as he's been saying the quiet part out loud and ranting about how it's being produced as part of a plot to corrupt children's minds.
That sad fecker Graham Linehan didn't get the memo though, as he's been saying the quiet part out loud and ranting about how it's being produced as part of a plot to corrupt children's minds.
Did the transphobes miss Bethany Black in "Sleep No More"? Yasmin Finney soon to be playing a character called Rose in the new RTD series? Charlie Cragg in the official BBC podcast spinoff Redacted, which will be returning? Rebecca Root in the Big Finish Eighth Doctor series Stranded? And that's just the first few who come to mind, there are trans writers and other folks behind the scenes as well. Doctor Who and the people running its various incarnations have made it clear the show is a trans-friendly place for a few years now.
I suppose this means we won't get JK Rowling writing for Doctor Who. How sad. How tragic.
It's not a very impressive trailer, though. And TLV was underwhelming, though there were some good bits. Nothing really awful comes to mind, it just never became more than the sum of its parts. I'll see how this one plays out, It's not like I don't already buy the books, comics, audios, and magazine.
I suppose this means we won't get JK Rowling writing for Doctor Who. How sad. How tragic.
It's not a very impressive trailer, though. And TLV was underwhelming, though there were some good bits. Nothing really awful comes to mind, it just never became more than the sum of its parts. I'll see how this one plays out, It's not like I don't already buy the books, comics, audios, and magazine.
Oh dear. It seems the actress involved here is a catch as regards the kid audience, so I'll be delicate - and it is a lot more difficult acting towards greenscreen without any other actors to play off...
But that was hitting Leee John in Enlightenment levels of bad Dr Who acting for me.
But that was hitting Leee John in Enlightenment levels of bad Dr Who acting for me.
I mean, I guess RTD has a plan, it just doesn't appear to be immediately obvious and not particularly exciting on the offset. That it can bring new fans into Who is fantastic though, and that's one bonus this multi-media thing has over the TLV event, which didn't even feature David Tennant as the Doctor in any form, to remind everyone.
But yeah, I doubt it diverts from whatever the BBC is spending on Who. That said... and I guess this is a very old argument... but, I would also much prefer more than 8 episode per year, and I don't mind complaining about it, as either way we're getting those 8 episodes.
But yeah, I doubt it diverts from whatever the BBC is spending on Who. That said... and I guess this is a very old argument... but, I would also much prefer more than 8 episode per year, and I don't mind complaining about it, as either way we're getting those 8 episodes.
I didn't find the "order" of TLV that confusing, even with the distribution delays on so much of it on this side of the Atlantic due to the pandemic. I also don't think of the novels as "the story" so much as they were "the spine." They'r e the most complete story on their own -- and really, The Knight, the Fool and the Dead is the only truly necessary piece -- but everything else adds the context that builds the spine out into a body.
No, there's no collected set. The DWM comic hasn't been collected. There's not even an anthology of the short stories (the Eaglemoss stories, the online stories, even the Data Worm extracts from the BBC marketing emails).
I had two basic issues with TLV.
It wasn't weird enough. This was the deep prehistory of the Doctor Who universe, but nothing about the story felt any different than any other Doctor Who story. Even attacking ancient Gallifrey with Dalek-Great Vampire hybrids felt like Just Another Crazy Dalek Plot. If TLV had been set in Galaxy 4 in the 53rd century, I'm not sure it would have been appreciably any different.
It needed follow-up in various streams. It felt at times like it was building something that would have implications -- I've argued that it's essentially the Pearl Harbor of the Time War -- but there's been nothing along those lines. There are lots of ideas going on, and I can fit them together into a whole in my head, but it would be nice to see someone official do that.
That trailer feels like the opening of a 90s FMV Doctor Who game with very limited appearances by the actual DW actors.
“I need to find the Doctor and I need your help to do it. If you need directions on what to do, please check out the enclosed instruction book.”
“I need to find the Doctor and I need your help to do it. If you need directions on what to do, please check out the enclosed instruction book.”
I didn't watch the trailer but that picture alone is enough to tell me that I'm sitting this one out.
RTD understands he needs to capture a new, young audience in 2023 to keep the show going. The kids who fell in love with Doctor Who are all adults now, and many of the teens and young adults who were nerds about the show then now have kids of their own. In that sense it's not unlike his mission to get a new audience for the show from people not familiar with the franchise or who knew it only in a previous era of higher recognition. Going younger and simpler resets the fanbase and gives them something to build upon narratively and stylistically - and it lets Doom sneak into past eras of the show more easily as a form of lowest common denominator. She can visit, say, a setup from Torchwood far easier than a character like Jack Harkness could pop into something from SJA.
Plus I'm calling it that Doom is really just SAYING she's the universe's best assassin just to get the Doctor's attention. She's got a different motive altogether that'll play out over this whole thing.
Mark
Plus I'm calling it that Doom is really just SAYING she's the universe's best assassin just to get the Doctor's attention. She's got a different motive altogether that'll play out over this whole thing.
Mark
I just suddenly remembered Attack of the Graske, which wasn't super-unlike this.
I guess we'll see, so far I'm a bit skeptical that I'm going to like this next run myself. But good luck catching the next generation, my nephew and niece don't just watch different stuff than I do, they don't even watch the same medium.
Story details for Doom’s Day are now available for the individual components, although confusingly the list is not in chronological order: https://www.doctorwho.tv/dooms-day
Are they ever?
The point is that chronological order from Doom’s perspective is a big part of the hook of the project, especially given that one of the big fan criticisms of Time Lord Victorious was the lack of a coherent story order.
I'm up to Hour 09 of this thing, and so far I'm not impressed at all. The so-called 'Greatest Assassin in the Universe' is making Revelation of the Daleks' Orcini look like James Bond, the 'assignments' are barely nibbling on the periphery of anything important, and the whole thing is at such a break-neck pace that the stories hardly have time to register, let alone entertain.
I think part of the issue is the basic concept. She's the deadliest assassin! Cool! And she's the protagonist! And assassins murder people, which isn't very nice, especially in something that's supposed to be reasonably kid-friendly, so... from the start you're finding ways to soft-pedal the central point of your story.
I still don't know how this was the multimedia event they signed off on.
And the problem is complaining about it (inadvertently) puts you on the same team as the Graham Linehans and Ben Shapiros of the world.
And the problem is complaining about it (inadvertently) puts you on the same team as the Graham Linehans and Ben Shapiros of the world.
