Donny's TOS Enterprise Interiors

[STEPhon IT]

I think I'm about done. I've subtly weathered the entire ship but didn't want to overdo it. I still have to do some tweaking on the running lights tomorrow but that's it!



This shot is poorly lit but I figured I'd give you guys a shot of the rear details:


And here's a quick comparison between my pilot model and my series model.


The series model obviously looks more real, since the filming model for the series proper was much more dirty and detailed and had much more color variation in it's hull weathering. Sticking so close to the filming models has its disadvantages, as we can see in the pilot model.

Donny, it's truly amazing how accurate you've modeled the Enterprise from "The Cage" and later "Where No Man Has Gone Before"; when I heard Disco was bringing the Enterprise into the show, I was stokely waiting to see the Enterprise you've done so well. I was shocked at the abomination the Disco team actually streamed, a ship which was too clunky and too 21st century - Hollywood - thinking, which is creatively bankrupt, to be called "Enterprise". I am so glad to see a real trek fan modeling the ship I love and pouring your heart out on the details of making this wonder the beauty she really is. Thank you, Donny.

 

[Norsehound]

Donny, it's truly amazing how accurate you've modeled the Enterprise from "The Cage" and later "Where No Man Has Gone Before"; when I heard Disco was bringing the Enterprise into the show, I was stokely waiting to see the Enterprise you've done so well. I was shocked at the abomination the Disco team actually streamed, a ship which was too clunky and too 21st century - Hollywood - thinking, which is creatively bankrupt, to be called "Enterprise". I am so glad to see a real trek fan modeling the ship I love and pouring your heart out on the details of making this wonder the beauty she really is. Thank you, Donny.

Whatever happened to infinite diversity in infinite combinations? The DISCO enterprise is fine, clearly Discovery is in an alternate universe. I doubt the Cage's original shooting model would fit well with the rest of the style discovery has chosen, anyway. For what it is, it's an interesting design that is a lot closer to the original than Ryan Church's 2009 Enterprise.

 

[Firebird]

when I heard Disco was bringing the Enterprise into the show, I was stokely waiting to see the Enterprise you've done so well.

If you were expecting to see a digital recreation of a 55-year-old model that's on display in a museum in a modern scifi show, you were setting yourself up for disappointment from the word go.

 

[BK613]

I think the sensor dome on the Cage bridge is a tad too wide but otherwise an impeccable job, as always.

 

[Tallguy]

If you were expecting to see a digital recreation of a 55-year-old model that's on display in a museum in a modern scifi show, you were setting yourself up for disappointment from the word go.

42 years old is the cut off.

 

[David cgc]

42 years old is the cut off.

Me, four hours ago: Should I make a Rogue One joke? Eh, I'll get it next time.

 

[Norsehound]

Me, four hours ago: Should I make a Rogue One joke? Eh, I'll get it next time.

It's interesting how the greebly Star Wars stuff aged better than the super-smooth TOS original works. I think TMP really set the precedent of trek ships in the future by putting Aztec plating on everything as the kind of bare minimum modern trek ships need to have. It was even retrograde applied to the original connie herself in some recreations!

 

[STEPhon IT]

Whatever happened to infinite diversity in infinite combinations? The DISCO enterprise is fine, clearly Discovery is in an alternate universe. I doubt the Cage's original shooting model would fit well with the rest of the style discovery has chosen, anyway. For what it is, it's an interesting design that is a lot closer to the original than Ryan Church's 2009 Enterprise.

"This is the power of Math, people!"

Disco Enterprise is not an interesting design to me, it's a bastardization of a brilliant artwork created by a visionary named Matt Jefferies. I agree "The Cage" shooting model wouldn't fit the style of DISCO but as a matter of fact... NOTHING FROM THAT sh*tty show fit's anything from the beautiful, futuristic work from the 1966 series called "Star Trek". So glad, Donny didn't make attempts to honor the brown mass of lame ideas from the Disco art dept and imported it into his well honored work. What Donny is recreating is Star Trek!

At least what's done on this thread is more pleasing than anything done on DISCO. Donny, keep up the great work!!!

If you were expecting to see a digital recreation of a 55-year-old model that's on display in a museum in a modern scifi show, you were setting yourself up for disappointment from the word go.

More accurate when those f^cking people at CBS claimed it was a prequel to TOS and in DISCO there's nothing in it that even represents a glimpse of it! Come on, get a clue!

 

[Retrograde Orbit]

"This is the power of Math, people!"

Disco Enterprise is not an interesting design to me, it's a bastardization of a brilliant artwork created by a visionary named Matt Jefferies. I agree "The Cage" shooting model wouldn't fit the style of DISCO but as a matter of fact... NOTHING FROM THAT sh*tty show fit's anything from the beautiful, futuristic work from the 1966 series called "Star Trek". So glad, Donny didn't make attempts to honor the brown mass of lame ideas from the Disco art dept and imported it into his well honored work. What Donny is recreating is Star Trek!

At least what's done on this thread is more pleasing than anything done on DISCO. Donny, keep up the great work!!!



More accurate when those f^cking people at CBS claimed it was a prequel to TOS and in DISCO there's nothing in it that even represents a glimpse of it! Come on, get a clue!

No offence, but I think that the DISCO starship is based somewhat on Ralph McQuarrie’s concept art for the Enterprise way back when... 1976/77 I think.
Here’s a link
https://io9.gizmodo.com/ralph-mcquarries-concept-art-for-a-star-trek-movie-in-1-5721854

 

[Bernard Guignard]

I've not seen any episode but viewing pictures of the hand props they seem to fit the earlier time period

 

[Michael]

Come on, get a clue!

Okay, let's stay on topic and keep discussing the actual work presented in the thread here. There's no reason to drag the whole “Discovery is not real Star Trek” debate into the Fan Art section. Also, please watch your tone.

 

[Bill Thompson]

...TMP really set the precedent of trek ships in the future by putting Aztec plating on everything as the kind of bare minimum modern trek ships need to have. It was even retrograde applied to the original connie herself in some recreations!

If I may follow that line of thought--has it ever been "officially" retconned that the original Connie was plated with the Azteking but the early Starships were painted?

Sort of like how Columbia's external tank was white until NASA realized it could save 600 pounds of needless payload by leaving the orange insulation exposed.

By the 2270s, Starfleet may have decided to save the trouble and expense of painting a fleet of entirely re-skinned ships in favor of simple pinstriping. It might be an interesting design exercise to model a TOS-era Connie stripped down to her bare metal Azteking to see its effect.

 

[Norsehound]

If I may follow that line of thought--has it ever been "officially" retconned that the original Connie was plated with the Azteking but the early Starships were painted?

Sort of like how Columbia's external tank was white until NASA realized it could save 600 pounds of needless payload by leaving the orange insulation exposed.

By the 2270s, Starfleet may have decided to save the trouble and expense of painting a fleet of entirely re-skinned ships in favor of simple pinstriping. It might be an interesting design exercise to model a TOS-era Connie stripped down to her bare metal Azteking to see its effect.

I know you probably mean the full TMP getup, but I think Trek Remastered has added subtle hull plating to the Enterprise for the re-runs.

 

[STEPhon IT]

No offence, but I think that the DISCO starship is based somewhat on Ralph McQuarrie’s concept art for the Enterprise way back when... 1976/77 I think.
Here’s a link
https://io9.gizmodo.com/ralph-mcquarries-concept-art-for-a-star-trek-movie-in-1-5721854

Right. The designs are based upon an era where the people in charge of the DISCO production are enamored with Star Wars, a production which has a history of how it was setup; basically getting as many model kits - smashing them up and piece by piece making their ships and that's how those ships appeared. This was because George Lucas didn't have the expenses to produce what he wanted, but because Star Wars is so popular those clunky designs are considered cool and anything that is in close proximity is what has to be monkeyed off of. What's ironic is when George Lucas returned to Star Wars he didn't think twice of returning to those dog days of glue and patching model scraps, which new Hollywood finds so cool and quite pathetic, but made the ships smooth looking and futuristic... like what Matt Jefferies designed for Star Trek.

 

[Donny]

Donny, it's truly amazing how accurate you've modeled the Enterprise from "The Cage" and later "Where No Man Has Gone Before"; when I heard Disco was bringing the Enterprise into the show, I was stokely waiting to see the Enterprise you've done so well. I was shocked at the abomination the Disco team actually streamed, a ship which was too clunky and too 21st century - Hollywood - thinking, which is creatively bankrupt, to be called "Enterprise". I am so glad to see a real trek fan modeling the ship I love and pouring your heart out on the details of making this wonder the beauty she really is. Thank you, Donny.

"This is the power of Math, people!"

Disco Enterprise is not an interesting design to me, it's a bastardization of a brilliant artwork created by a visionary named Matt Jefferies. I agree "The Cage" shooting model wouldn't fit the style of DISCO but as a matter of fact... NOTHING FROM THAT sh*tty show fit's anything from the beautiful, futuristic work from the 1966 series called "Star Trek". So glad, Donny didn't make attempts to honor the brown mass of lame ideas from the Disco art dept and imported it into his well honored work. What Donny is recreating is Star Trek!

At least what's done on this thread is more pleasing than anything done on DISCO. Donny, keep up the great work!!!



More accurate when those f^cking people at CBS claimed it was a prequel to TOS and in DISCO there's nothing in it that even represents a glimpse of it! Come on, get a clue!

@STEPhon IT: please keep any bashing of Discovery or the designs contained therein away from this thread. There are other places to do it, but here isn't one of them. I appreciate your reverence for the original design and the effort I put into being faithful to that with my model. However, there's something I've learned throughout the years that's helped my myself when it comes to this kind of stuff: we don't have to tear something else down in order to celebrate something we like. I understand your opinions on this issue are strong, but I don't want this thread to turn into an argument about which design is better. Please respect this decision. I have asked this of others before, so I'm asking you now. Thank you for understanding.

Also, please keep in mind that I work for an officially-licensed Star Trek product. A product that celebrates Discovery and all forms of Trek for that matter, and I myself had the pleasure of bringing the new Discovery-era Enterprise alive for that game (hell, players on Twitter have even nick-named it the "Donny", instead of "Connie", in my honor. John Eaves himself gave me his seal of approval of that model on social media). I don't want TBTB to view this thread and see that I'm providing a forum to bash the good work their design teams are doing. I doubt I could get in trouble since I'm not saying the words myself, but I tend to try and be careful when it comes to publicly discussing Discovery. And in your posts above, you’ve sort of insinuated that I am shunning the new show and the designs with the work I’m doing here, and I am doing no such thing. I don’t mind what CBS has done with their visual iteration of Trek at all. Anyway, I have a great job working for a leg of the franchise and I don't want to put that at risk. Let's just keep those kinds of opinions away from this thread. Thank you!!

 

[Donny]

Now, with that Public Service Announcement out of the way, here are the final showcase renders of both the 2nd Pilot Enterprise and the Series Enterprise. After finishing the Pilot model, I decided to go back and make some subtle changes to the material of the Series model. For this series of renders, I decided to light the model more dramatically, rather than try to replicate angles and lighting of the original FX shots. This has helped bring the model to life, and make it look less like a filming model and more like a real, life-sized ship. NOTE: I have employed a bluish light for these renders, so the hull color may appear more blue than it was on the actual model.

First up, the 2nd Pilot Enterprise:









And the exact same angles and lighting on the Series Enterprise:

 

[Tallguy]

hell, players on Twitter have even nick-named it the "Donny", instead of "Connie", in my honor.

That's amazing and hilarious!

Now, with that Public Service Announcement out of the way, here are the final showcase renders of both the 2nd Pilot Enterprise.. .

THAT'S my girl!

 

[David cgc]

I love the way the images are paired on the Flickr page allows me to click back and forth between the series and pilot versions of the ships. (BTW, you probably already noticed doing the same thing, but it looks like you've got a teeny UV issue on your necks. The windows are a little off between one model and the other.)

Your dark nacelle caps look really good. I got back and forth on how I'd like to address them with the pilot-era ship, either having them lit as in the series, but much darker, or perhaps having them dark at sublight and only glowing at warp, like in ST09 and STID, but this is the first time I've considered maybe just letting them be dark. But those spinny lights are so much a part of the character of the TOS ship...

 

[Donny]

(BTW, you probably already noticed doing the same thing, but it looks like you've got a teeny UV issue on your necks. The windows are a little off between one model and the other

Ah, yeah. The window layout on the pilot model was different, and I ended up moving the location of them a bit when I made the changes. One of those things I didn’t think anyone would notice. But you, sir, have good eyes ;-)

 

[cardinal biggles]

Excellent job on both, Donny! Looking at them side by side, with the same angles and lighting really drives home how much the modifications they made to the model between the second pilot and Season 1 really improved it. It just wouldn't be the same without the spinning lights on the nacelle domes. And those "cheese grater" caps on the ends scream rocket nozzles.