Donny's TOS Enterprise Interiors

[Donny]

Much better IMO. I like both of the font versions, no preference from me there.
By the way, isn't the Miranda usually considered a Light Cruiser? I remember the Interplay games at least gave it that designation.

I've seen both Heavy Frigate and Light Cruiser. I'll gladly go with either one. Light Cruiser seems more accurate to me? I used that designation on my renders last night.

 

[David cgc]

How bout this?


I've changed the primary font to Microgramma but still have the components in Century Gothic.
Ignore the exact placement of the components for now. I haven't arranged them neatly, just wanted to show that they'll be there and what font/size they'll be in.

Thumbs up from me on the revised colors. I think scattering the call-outs around the page will make a big (positive) difference in how it feels. After I thought about it a little longer, I realized that the issue was with the size of the text and its arrangement in two contiguous blocks, it drew the eye as if it were the focus of the layout, and not the ship. Like it was a magazine article, where the image was secondary to the text column.

If this becomes a democracy, I'd vote for staying with Century Gothic. You were right, it really does give that '60s TOS midcentury modern flair to it (I think it really looks good on the credit and title lines on your recent renders, for instance), and Microgramma Bold is just too movie-era (the thin Microgramma is fine, because it just looks like FJ's books), and I'm still sad that it's all over the DSC ships.

 

[Donny]

Thumbs up from me on the revised colors. I think scattering the call-outs around the page will make a big (positive) difference in how it feels. After I thought about it a little longer, I realized that the issue was with the size of the text and its arrangement in two contiguous blocks, it drew the eye as if it were the focus of the layout, and not the ship. Like it was a magazine article, where the image was secondary to the text column.

If this becomes a democracy, I'd vote for staying with Century Gothic. You were right, it really does give that '60s TOS midcentury modern flair to it (I think it really looks good on the credit and title lines on your recent renders, for instance), and Microgramma Bold is just too movie-era (the thin Microgramma is fine, because it just looks like FJ's books), and I'm still sad that it's all over the DSC ships.

Great feedback! I've actually already converted everything back to Century Gothic and included a scale bar as well. I'm going to scatter the call-outs now and see how it looks. Thanks so much!

 

[137th Gebirg]

I’m a traditionalist when it comes to these designs. I definitely prefer heavy frigate for this class of vessel over light cruiser. Hell, I don’t even like calling it “Miranda”, but rather “Avenger” class. Just showing my age with that one, I guess.

 

[penguin44]

Wonderful work @Donny! I appreciate your efforts and I would also like to go ot for a sec and say well done on the re textured Vengeance in sto. You are a busy man! Regarding the ortho designs, I have a hard time with black text on white. Perhaps you can so white on black like in the first image? Although the red doesn't look to fit on the black. Maybe a dark grey background?

 

[aridas sofia]

I’m a traditionalist when it comes to these designs. I definitely prefer heavy frigate for this class of vessel over light cruiser. Hell, I don’t even like calling it “Miranda”, but rather “Avenger” class. Just showing my age with that one, I guess.

I named it “Avenger” for the original title of the movie- “Vengeance of Khan”:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/67/e3/82/67e38240475045e0a79740ae00daa240.jpg

My thinking on “heavy frigate” was 1) I estimated Reliant to approximate or slightly exceed Enterprise in volume. 2) The 19th century sailing term for “cruiser” was “frigate”. So, I was saying they were similar ships differing in configuration and mission.

To me, a “light cruiser” would be a much smaller ship similar in configuration to a “heavy cruiser”.

 

[Norsehound]

I follow SFC's thing of making the "New Heavy Cruisers" the Mirandas. For a TOS ship like this I'd call it a CLASS II HEAVY CRUISER, on the notion that it is a complement/replacement for the Constitution's Class I.

 

[Maurice]

I named it “Avenger” for the original title of the movie- “Vengeance of Khan”. [...]

Um, the original title of Meyer's script was The Undiscovered Country.

 

[aridas sofia]

Okay, Maurice. Um, “the original title once the title was changed from “The Undiscovered Country””.

 

[Tomalak]

"Undiscovered-class" doesn't have the same ring anyhow.

 

[Jesse1066]

Could've gone with "Discovery Class" I suppose.

 

[Tallguy]

They're both terrific. The second one (just because of the white b/g if nothing else) if closer to Franz Joseph. The first one feels more original. But like I said, both great.

I think once we got Okuda in TNG and even backwards to The Undiscovered Country it became more apparent that there was no "Grand Unified Display Language" for TOS (or TMP / TWOK). The closest that we got was the multicolored bridge displays coupled with the same color scheme on the Klingon / Enterprise comparison display in The Enterprise Incident.

 

[A Chimpanzee & 2 Trainees]

Love this ship, Donny. Great work as always! So, not to be THAT guy, but what does the TOS Miranda bridge look like?

 

[Spaceship Jo]

I like the white background because it feels very FJ* to me, but personally I'd use a palette from one of the TOS display screens. Some had a dark gray background, some a sort of tan color. And as much as I love that TOS red, those blue outlines around many displays seem fitting for this sort of project as it seems like something they would have on a monitor onboard.

*I love the FJ style, but something always sits wrong with me when nice 3D renders clash with the otherwise "plain" style. I think it's great for layouts with the renders, but colorwise not so much. Not that I expect you to do line drawings of your ships... (though would you object if someone else did?)

 

[BK613]

@Donny Excellent job on the Buenos Aires. It looks very TOS-esque. I do agree with @David cgc about the rollbar pennants.
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Re ship classes: Modern NATO parlance has a frigate typically be larger than a corvette but smaller than a destroyer when size is considered although the classification has as much to do with role as it does with size. If this ship is to be part of the stable of vessels you've created in this thread, including FJ's stuff, then I would ask if it is more or less capable than a Saladin? If more, then light or heavy cruiser, if less then frigate.

 

[Donny]

I named it “Avenger” for the original title of the movie- “Vengeance of Khan”:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/67/e3/82/67e38240475045e0a79740ae00daa240.jpg

My thinking on “heavy frigate” was 1) I estimated Reliant to approximate or slightly exceed Enterprise in volume. 2) The 19th century sailing term for “cruiser” was “frigate”. So, I was saying they were similar ships differing in configuration and mission.

To me, a “light cruiser” would be a much smaller ship similar in configuration to a “heavy cruiser”.

I checked out your Avenger class plans last night, that's some really fine work! As a matter of fact, I was viewing it's technical specs last night as an inspiration for my TOS Miranda specs and retroactively realized you were the man behind it. Good job!

Love this ship, Donny. Great work as always! So, not to be THAT guy, but what does the TOS Miranda bridge look like?

We will see once I get the mood to do some interiors again I want to create bridge variants for each of these ships I'm making, even if it's something as simple as changing the color scheme.

I like the white background because it feels very FJ* to me, but personally I'd use a palette from one of the TOS display screens. Some had a dark gray background, some a sort of tan color. And as much as I love that TOS red, those blue outlines around many displays seem fitting for this sort of project as it seems like something they would have on a monitor onboard.

I'm not sure exactly where I'm headed with these orthographic plans. I just know that a few people have been requesting I do them, so I figured I'd give it a shot now that I've discovered a way to take quality orthos with my available software. I was going to originally just have all the views on one page on a simple white or black background, but the artist in me wanted to make them more presentable, so I just started messing around. I'm a big fan of the FJ Tech Manual presentation so I figured I'd let that inspiration come through. While I'm definitley going for an in-universe design with the layout, I see these ortho infographics more as hard copies rather than something that would be on a TOS monitor display. But truthfully, at the end of the day, I'm worried less about making these fit seamlessly in the universe and more just wanted to have a nice TOS design framing my renders.

*I love the FJ style, but something always sits wrong with me when nice 3D renders clash with the otherwise "plain" style. I think it's great for layouts with the renders, but colorwise not so much. Not that I expect you to do line drawings of your ships... (though would you object if someone else did?)

Yeah, it is odd to have 3D renders in place of line-drawings. I agree. But the whole point was for me to present my renders orthographically for those who'd want them. The framing and presentation is secondary, but I couldn't resist making them look like in-universe technical documents. And if anyone wants to produce line-drawings of any of the ships I've made, by all means go ahead! If the end product is high-quality I'd be glad to add them to these infographics.

 

[Bernard Guignard]

Great work on both Donny looking forward to the final results

 

[aridas sofia]

I checked out your Avenger class plans last night, that's some really fine work! As a matter of fact, I was viewing it's technical specs last night as an inspiration for my TOS Miranda specs and retroactively realized you were the man behind it. Good job!

Those plans were drawn at the printed size, then inked at that size. I had no idea how to get photographic reductions done at that time. Of course now, the very act of drawing and inking and printing and physically shipping would be the quaint thing.

Jefferies used a standard military/NASA technical manual template for illustrations like Nomad. If you look up any period manual of that kind, you might find formats you could employ to advantage.

 

[Tallguy]

Jefferies used a standard military/NASA technical manual template for illustrations like Nomad. If you look up any period manual of that kind, you might find formats you could employ to advantage.

Ooooooh. Never thought of / knew that.

 

[aridas sofia]

https://history.nasa.gov/diagrams/gemini4.gif