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Does Star Trek support Ancient Astronaut theory

No, that's the opposite of ancient astronaut theory, because it posits that beings from Earth settled other planets, instead of beings from other planets colonizing Earth. Although it's ambiguous whether the Voth's hadrosaur ancestors had a civilization of their own that was lost to the geological record (not impossible) or were transplanted from Earth by some Preserver-like alien civilization. (I like to imagine they were resettled by the same aliens that transplanted Clan Ru's theropod ancestors in the TOS novel First Frontier, which had a similar premise and which Diane Carey co-wrote with an actual paleontologist fittingly named James I. Kirkland).
Which is what I was trying to say, to the question at the beginning of the topic "Does Star Trek support ancient astronaut theory?". It is my example where Star Trek does not support AAT. Most examples are where humans left Earth before the 20th century space program, either by Alien Abduction (ENT North Star, VOY The 37's), or Alien intervention (Paradise Syndrome), and in the case of non-humans from Earth in Voyager's episode Distant Origin. I never saw 1970's Star Trek Animated Series, so if an episode promoted the idea that ancient astronauts built the early wonders of the world, I wouldn't know about it, but IIRC the rest of the series that I saw didn't support it.
 
Which is what I was trying to say, to the question at the beginning of the topic "Does Star Trek support ancient astronaut theory?". It is my example where Star Trek does not support AAT. Most examples are where humans left Earth before the 20th century space program, either by Alien Abduction (ENT North Star, VOY The 37's), or Alien intervention (Paradise Syndrome), and in the case of non-humans from Earth in Voyager's episode Distant Origin. I never saw 1970's Star Trek Animated Series, so if an episode promoted the idea that ancient astronauts built the early wonders of the world, I wouldn't know about it, but IIRC the rest of the series that I saw didn't support it.

"Support" isn't even a meaningful word to use here. Evidence supports theories/hypotheses. Stories are just make-believe. No story "supports" any theory, it just uses its ideas to support the telling of the story.

Gene Roddenberry needed to make Star Trek affordable enough to convince a network that it could be profitable to produce. So he built in the idea that the crew would often encounter Earth-parallel cultures so that the show could use existing backlots and historical set pieces, costumes, and props from earlier productions to represent alien worlds. Often this was presented without any explanation, as in "Miri" or "Bread and Circuses" or "The Omega Glory," but sometimes they tried to handwave it as alien intervention ("The Paradise Syndrome") or human intervention ("Patterns of Force"). None of it was about "supporting" anything except the show's ability to come in under budget.

In the later shows, they had the holodeck to give them an excuse to use historical or present-day sets and materials, so when they wrote a story about the crew encountering something Earth-related out in space, it was more about tying into things that would matter to the characters or be of interest to the audience. For instance, "The 37's" was done because the producers liked the idea of paralleling Janeway, the franchise's first female lead, with Amelia Earhart, a pioneering female aviator. It certainly was not about saying alien abductions were real; it just used the idea of alien abductions to generate the story. And "North Star" was simply the franchise paying homage to its own past tropes, since long-running franchises have a tendency to become increasingly self-referential as they get older.

In the case of "How Sharper than a Serpent's Tooth," I suppose it happened because it was made in the 1970s when all that ancient-astronaut BS was at its peak in pop culture. The writers wanted to acknowledge and celebrate indigenous cultures, but unfortunately the 1970s mass-media dialogue about indigenous cultures was heavily polluted by ancient-astronaut rhetoric that had originated among racists seeking to deny the intelligence of nonwhite cultures, but had the racism sufficiently encrypted behind a surface of woo-woo space-alien sensationalism that most people (my preadolescent self included) didn't recognize it for what it was. The writers probably just saw it as a natural way to do a story about indigenous cultures within the context of a show about starships and aliens, without realizing how condescending it actually was to indigenous cultures.

Although Voyager did pretty much the same thing with Chakotay, since they relied on a "Native American consultant" who turned out to be a white guy perpetuating a fraud. So in trying to be respectful to indigenous Americans, they ended up being disrespectful due to insufficient knowledge.
 
“Ancient astronauts didn't build the pyramids. Human beings built the pyramids, because they're clever and they work hard.”​
― Gene Roddenberry
I kind of love the idea that in Star Trek there ARE ancient astronauts... who visited Earth, but only to observe humans building pyramids.

To only watch & study, but otherwise having a strong non-interference codex, almost like a primary directive, to not muck anything up, and didn't actually DO anything in our history, just watching, and sometimes awkwardly looking sideways when someone suspected anything:guffaw:
 
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I kind of love the idea that in Star Trek there ARE ancient astronauts... who visited Earth, but only to observe humans building pyramids.

To only watch & study, but otherwise having a strong non-interference codex, almost like a primary directive, to not muck anything up, and didn't actually DO anything in our history, just watching, and sometimes awkwardly looking sideways when someone suspected anything:guffaw:

To be fair, is the human building of pyramids actually canon?

*runs*
 
We live in strange times nowadays when fiction somehow has to be bound by the limits of our reality.
Even though I love the movie, I blame Batman Begins lol. :p

AAT might be disproven theory but it could be used wonderfully in science fiction just like everything else.
 
We live in strange times nowadays when fiction somehow has to be bound by the limits of our reality.
Even though I love the movie, I blame Batman Begins lol. :p

That's weird, given that Batman Begins threw all physics and logic out the window in its final act. Not only would unconcentrated microwaves never have been able to boil that much water that instantly, but if they had, they would've boiled the insides of every citizen of Gotham in the process.


AAT might be disproven theory but it could be used wonderfully in science fiction just like everything else.

It's giving it way too much credit to call it a disproven theory, as if it were ever in serious competition with actual theories. It was never a theory at all in the formal sense, just a pseudoscience claim. It's just cherrypicking and distorting evidence to fit a preconceived belief.
 
I have seen a lot of episodes that support the theory that aliens visited earth in human past and also that humans were genetically engineered by aliens. Does this mean, Star Trek and it's creators believe in and support the ancient astronaut theory
ancient astronaut theory? what's that? all i know is ancient astronaut bollocks! :evil:
I actually got a story published in Analog, reprinted free on my Patreon, in which a real alien lands on Earth, encounters a UFO believer, and demolishes his superstitions.
read a few paragraphes. so far i like it but as it's 0400 here the rest has to wait until tomorrow. :bolian:
 
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And no, that was not an expression of belief in the notion of "ancient astronauts," an odious and idiotic superstition that was invented by neo-Nazis who wanted to discredit the intelligence of non-white races by claiming their civilizations were given to them by aliens rather than being their own inventions.

Get off your high horse, dude. Very Western-centric take. The idea of extraterrestrial ancestors or “ancient astronauts” is extremely widespread across various cultures over time, the whole world over. It’s a fascinating topic and one that captivated me since I was a child. https://atmos.earth/ancient-ties-indigenous-people-and-the-extraterrestrial/
 
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Get off your high horse, dude. Very Western-centric take. The idea of extraterrestrial ancestors or “ancient astronauts” is extremely widespread across various cultures over time, the whole world over. It’s a fascinating topic and one that captivated me since I was a child. https://atmos.earth/ancient-ties-indigenous-people-and-the-extraterrestrial/

That site lost me the moment it claimed indigenous people have "known of the existence" of aliens for centuries, unquestoningly presenting it as a fact instead of a hypothesis. That's a dead giveaway of pseudoscientific claptrap, and it's twisting evidence from ancient cultures to force it to conform to modern beliefs, a core aspect of ancient-astronaut sensationalism.

Hell, I ate this stuff up as a kid too, because I didn't know any better, but then I learned real science and history and came to know better. One of the first things I learned as a history major in college was how wrong it is to impose our own interpretations and worldviews on past cultures; the goal should be to set our own egos and agendas aside and try to understand historic cultures on their own terms, while keeping our minds open to the possibility that our assumptions could be wrong and contaminated by our own biases. Charlatans like Von Daniken have always taken ancient myths that had spiritual meaning to their original cultures and superimposed the modern concept of aliens onto them, twisting them to fit modern preconceptions and preoccupations, which is an affront to their original meaning.
 
Get off your high horse, dude. Very Western-centric take. The idea of extraterrestrial ancestors or “ancient astronauts” is extremely widespread across various cultures over time, the whole world over. It’s a fascinating topic and one that captivated me since I was a child. https://atmos.earth/ancient-ties-indigenous-people-and-the-extraterrestrial/

The ancient peoples did not believe in aliens. They created gods to explain the world which went on became our myths and folklore. They were just as creative and imaginative as we are today.
 
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The ancient peoples did not believe in aliens. They created gods to explain the world which when on became our myths and folklore. They were just as creative and imaginative as we are today.

Indeed, UFOs and Ancient Astronauts are modern myths and folklore, rooted in belief rather than science, but co-opting modern ideas about space travel and aliens as a new surface veneer on ancient habits of belief in supernatural beings. Where people in the past would have feared being preyed on by demons or struck down by divine wrath, people today fear being abducted and probed by flying saucer men. It's the same idea in modern dress, and it's ethnocentric to back-project our modern ideas and fixations and claim that past cultures defined things the same way we do.
 
IIRC, Roddenberry always hated the Ancient Astronaut theory and didn't want Star Trek to indulge in it. Even in the 60s when he knew he was just a man producing a TV show and hadn't yet drunk the Gene's Vision Kool-Aid.
If Roddenberry hated the Ancient Astronauts speculation, how did an episode like "Who Mourns for Adonais?" get made?

And speaking the pyramids, there was a recent discovery that an ancient branch of the Nile flowed right next to the pyramids, so the ancient Egyptians could have brought the stone blocks by barge.

 
btw, as to trek or trek personnel (in this case the shat himself) and ancient astronaut bollocks

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... i guess he needed the money
 
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