Does Rank have privileges in the future?

[hbquikcomjamesl]

What you are touching upon though are two different mechanisms: authority by rank, and authority by position. How these two interplay is best answered by someone who knows more about the military than I do.

My father spent a tour of duty in the United States Marine Corps, in the 1950s. It was before the rank realignment that created the lance corporal, and it was between wars, so he spent his entire tour working in a supply warehouse in 29 Palms. Now, 29 Palms is an armpit, but it beats getting shot at for a living.

At any rate, the individual in charge of supply put my dad in charge. So even though he never rose above corporal, he nonetheless, while on duty, had positional authority to tell people who outranked him where to go and what to do. And when he was off-duty, the opposite was true. It made for very friendly working relationships.

 

[GNDN18]

Better quarters are pretty real. As is the ability to tell people what to do and have them do it.

“Drop by my wastefully spacious cabin, doctor.”

 

[Tenacity]

Rank means that you can just sit in your quarters for weeks reading books and never set foot on the bridge, if you feel like it.

 

[Discofan]

Better quarters are pretty real. As is the ability to tell people what to do and have them do it.

That pretty much goes without saying. It's not what people refer to when they talk of "privileges". It's like saying that a chimney sweep's privilege is to sweep chimneys...

As for the better quarters, I am not sure Janeway's quarters are so much better than Tuvok's or Kim's. Simple crewmen sometimes have to bunk with other people as seen in Flashback, then again it refers to an old-time and could no longer be true on Voyager. Remember how Scotty was stunned by the size of his quarters!!! It's very possible than on Voyager every one except married people gets individual quarters. Seven has no rank yet her quarters were pretty spacious. Sure, it's a holodeck simulation but knowing Seven it must have been quite realistic.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That pretty much goes without saying. It's not what people refer to when they talk of "privileges". It's like saying that a chimney sweep's privilege is to sweep chimneys...

As for the better quarters, I am not sure Janeway's quarters are so much better than Tuvok's or Kim's. Simple crewmen sometimes have to bunk with other people as seen in Flashback, then again it refers to an old-time and could no longer be true on Voyager. Remember how Scotty was stunned by the size of his quarters!!! It's very possible than on Voyager every one except married people gets individual quarters. Seven has no rank yet her quarters were pretty spacious. Sure, it's a holodeck simulation but knowing Seven it must have been quite realistic.

Not sure why he'd be stunned. He was doing alright in the quarters department in TOS. The TNG quarters were probably for VIPs/guests. Still not that much better than what he had in TOS. I guess all that time in stasis must have messed with his memories,

 

[Discofan]

Not sure why he'd be stunned. He was doing alright in the quarters department in TOS. The TNG quarters were probably for VIPs/guests. Still not that much better than what he had in TOS. I guess all that time in stasis must have messed with his memories,

You mean even more than we thought?

 

[The Wormhole]

It's very possible than on Voyager every one except married people gets individual quarters.

If anyone ranked lower than Lieutenant had to share quarters on the Enterprise D, I doubt very much everyone on Voyager had their own quarters.

 

[Discofan]

If anyone ranked lower than Lieutenant had to share quarters on the Enterprise D, I doubt very much everyone on Voyager had their own quarters.

Well, for one thing, Harry Kim wasn't a lieutenant and yet he had his own quarters. Plus I don't think we ever saw people sharing quarters on Voyager, except in critical situations. Like when they had to share the ship with Klingons. Take Neelix, he had no rank, he wasn't even a member of Starfleet yet he had his own quarters! At times he was even given the same responsibilities as a senior officer (Basics). How do you explain that?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Harry Kim was also Chief of Ops

 

[Farscape One]

Kim was a senior officer, so he likely got his own quarters due to that.

And I am pretty sure it was mentioned that lower ranks bunked together on a regular basis.

Remember, the ship had 235 rooms or a total like that. That was mentioned in at least a couple episodes. With 150 people on board, only 85 rooms for duty? I don't think so.

And Seven didn't have quarters. She had the Cargo Bay.

 

[Discofan]

Kim was a senior officer, so he likely got his own quarters due to that.

There were plenty of Lieutenants. They all outranked Kim. So if RANK did have privileges then they should all out privilege Kim.

And I am pretty sure it was mentioned that lower ranks bunked together on a regular basis.

I don't think so.

It should be easy for you to find the quote where it is mentioned.

Remember, the ship had 235 rooms or a total like that. That was mentioned in at least a couple episodes. With 150 people on board, only 85 rooms for duty? I don't think so.

Why would they need rooms for duty, especially if they have their own quarters? That doesn't make any sense.

And Seven didn't have quarters. She had the Cargo Bay.

I never said the contrary. Whom are you answering to here? It seems like a strawman argument.

 

[TribbleFeeder]

I doubt very much everyone on Voyager had their own quarters.

On Voyager they might have not had to share once quarters freed up from the casualties.

 

[Farscape One]

85 rooms for duty, meaning the Bridge, Engineering, Sickbay, Science Labs, Astrometrics, Cargo Bays, Shuttlebay, and all the other stations for damage control, work in conduits, etc. Not to mention any restrooms and the Ready Room. There has to be more than 85 to account for functioning a starship.

And yes, the Lts all had their own quarters, but I was adding Kim had his own only because he was a senior officer, i.e. department head.

Regarding finding a quote, I am not a tech guy, so searching for a random quote will take time, so please don't assume it is easy for someone to perform that kind of task. I'll try to find it. And besides... if junior officers, Ensigns and Crewmen rank, share quarters on a big ship like a Galaxy class, you seriously don't expect that to happen on a ship 1/3 its size? (THAT dialogue is directly from "Lower Decks", when LaVelle wants a promotion so he can have his own quarters.)

And I was answering whoever wrote that Seven had her own quarters, which she really didn't.

Addendum: I remember Vorik having bunk beds in his quarters, so that at least shows Ensigns/Crewmen share because the ship at least has the capability of it.

And in "GOOD SHEPHERD", Tal was whispering on the com while in her quarters. Why would she need to do that if it was her room alone?

 

[Farscape One]

Found it on Memory Alpha, under Intrepid class...

(I copied and pasted.)

Standard crew quarters: These small quarters units were located within the primary hull and lack windows. They included a living area, a bedroom, and a bathroom. Crewmembers of lieutenant junior grade were given their own quarters; ensigns and crewmen were required to share their quarters (except for senior officers; for example, Ensign Kim had his own quarters). The living area contained a replicator terminal and was customizable with a variety of furniture and decorations. (VOY: "Good Shepherd")


I was wrong about the room count... it is 257. But it also mentions other types of quarters, how officers get bigger quarters and are along the hull, since they have windows. Plus, the Captain's quarters are even larger.

 

[Discofan]

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And I was answering whoever wrote that Seven had her own quarters, which she really didn't.
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I've done a quick scan and I can't see any post that says that.

You know that answering to no one while making it seem like you're answering someone, in particular, is called a strawman argument, don't you?

 

[Farscape One]

That pretty much goes without saying. It's not what people refer to when they talk of "privileges". It's like saying that a chimney sweep's privilege is to sweep chimneys...

As for the better quarters, I am not sure Janeway's quarters are so much better than Tuvok's or Kim's. Simple crewmen sometimes have to bunk with other people as seen in Flashback, then again it refers to an old-time and could no longer be true on Voyager. Remember how Scotty was stunned by the size of his quarters!!! It's very possible than on Voyager every one except married people gets individual quarters. Seven has no rank yet her quarters were pretty spacious. Sure, it's a holodeck simulation but knowing Seven it must have been quite realistic.

I just found it. It looks like I was responding to your post which said 'Seven has no rank yet her quarters were pretty spacious'.

I do not respond to thin air. I respond to posts, though it may take me some time to find the exact post.

So it is not a strawman argument. Her holodeck quarters simulation might be large, but I haven't seen any have their own kitchen. I'm inclined to think it was a modified version of the ship.

 

[Discofan]

I just found it. It looks like I was responding to your post which said 'Seven has no rank yet her quarters were pretty spacious'.

I do not respond to thin air. I respond to posts, though it may take me some time to find the exact post.

So it is not a strawman argument. Her holodeck quarters simulation might be large, but I haven't seen any have their own kitchen. I'm inclined to think it was a modified version of the ship.

I don't see why Seven would have modified the ship in her simulation given that she was trying to experience a preview of her life as a full-fledged human being. It wouldn't make any sense.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

When did we ever see Seven's actual quarters? Given that she spends her off-duty time in a regeneration alcove, why would she even need quarters?

 

[Discofan]

When did we ever see Seven's actual quarters? Given that she spends her off-duty time in a regeneration alcove, why would she even need quarters?

Not again! Please read what I ACTUALLY wrote on the subject before making irrelevant comments!

 

[Farscape One]

Going back to the topic...

Yes, rank does have privileges, since you can get your own quarters, and higher rank gets even bigger quarters. Since it is a moneyless society, at least on a Starfleet ship, that's one of the few ways we can tangibly see evidence of it. The only time we have ever seen an Ensign in the 24th century with their own quarters was Harry Kim, but he was a department head so he was the exception rather than the rule.

Point being... rank DOES have its privileges.