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Does Maurice Hurley deserve more credit for his Star Trek work?

My impression of Hurley was he was basically trying to keep the fires out at this party point. I would like to have seen some more of his work mind you. I actually thought the latter half of the first season and the second season is stronger than proceeds quite a bit of the show. He doesn’t strike me as a particularly brilliant person, but how often were TV executives at that time? He had some interesting ideas for the show and I’d be interested to have seen more.

The earliest TNG had some cool ideas in motion (even a lot of the clunkier stuff), but the execution was just so varied. Naturally, I'm already abjectly recoiling in recalling the massage oil planet "Justice", how - and despite making Lore dangerously psychotic - "Datalore" was clumsy in dumbing down the 'dults just to make Wesley look better (a shame as there's a lot to this story to enjoy), and so on. "11001001" feels like the a turning point when the show is starting to grow by greater leaps at this point. I also just looked it up and he co-wrote it. Nice plus... he also co-wrote the story for "Datalore" (but the teleplay is where the story is transformed and solidified.)
 
The big plot hole that always got me about "Datalore" was its claim that nobody knew who built Data, even though he was based on the positronic-brain principle that Noonien Soong was famous for advocating. That stood out to me as a self-contradiction the first time I saw the episode (or at least the second), and it's never gotten any clearer. And of course, it was retroactively made even dumber in "Brothers" when they cast Brent Spiner as Soong (instead of Keye Luke as originally intended). "Gee, this android we found has Noonien Soong's face and voice and is based on theories that only Soong believed in. We have no idea who possibly could have built him."

I also thought it was lazy and derivative to crib the concept of a positronic brain from Isaac Asimov. Aside from being imitative, it's a concept that even Asimov admitted was scientifically nonsensical. Although part of the reason I found it cheesy was that the really stupid Buck Rogers in the 25th Century episode "Shgoratchx!" had also cribbed the concept of positronic brains seven years earlier, and I'd felt it was an affront for such a dumb show to invoke the work of the sainted Asimov. (That season of Buck Rogers also had a character named Admiral Asimov, supposedly a descendant. I didn't know at the time that the new showrunner brought in for season 2 had worked with Asimov on an abortive film adaptation of I, Robot, so they actually knew each other and the homage was more legitimate than I'd assumed.) I didn't like seeing TNG sink to the same level as Buck Rogers (as I saw it).

There's also the fact that Data used one or two contractions in the first half of the episode but was suddenly asserted not to use contractions in the second half of the episode. That felt like very sloppy rewriting to me, like there were bits of different drafts in there and they hadn't managed to reconcile everything. Never mind that Data had used plenty of contractions in previous episodes.
 
Isn't he the guy who tried to MeToo Gates McFadden? If so then I'm fine with keeping him canceled.
I didn't know the man personally and neither did you. There are various versions of the friction between him and McFadden out there. She has never made a direct accusation and he has never been charged with anything.

Since we have no idea what really happened behind closed doors, I prefer to look at and judge him solely based on his work, which is what is being discussed here.
 
The big plot hole that always got me about "Datalore" was its claim that nobody knew who built Data, even though he was based on the positronic-brain principle that Noonien Soong was famous for advocating. That stood out to me as a self-contradiction the first time I saw the episode (or at least the second), and it's never gotten any clearer. And of course, it was retroactively made even dumber in "Brothers" when they cast Brent Spiner as Soong (instead of Keye Luke as originally intended). "Gee, this android we found has Noonien Soong's face and voice and is based on theories that only Soong believed in. We have no idea who possibly could have built him."

Keye Luke would have been FANTASTIC (thanks for namedropping!). Sadly, he died in January 1991 so I wonder if he had health issues preventing taking the role.

I also thought it was lazy and derivative to crib the concept of a positronic brain from Isaac Asimov. Aside from being imitative, it's a concept that even Asimov admitted was scientifically nonsensical. Although part of the reason I found it cheesy was that the really stupid Buck Rogers in the 25th Century episode "Shgoratchx!" had also cribbed the concept of positronic brains seven years earlier, and I'd felt it was an affront for such a dumb show to invoke the work of the sainted Asimov. (That season of Buck Rogers also had a character named Admiral Asimov, supposedly a descendant. I didn't know at the time that the new showrunner brought in for season 2 had worked with Asimov on an abortive film adaptation of I, Robot, so they actually knew each other and the homage was more legitimate than I'd assumed.) I didn't like seeing TNG sink to the same level as Buck Rogers (as I saw it).

I recall BR/season 2 mentioning "Positronic" and thought it was just genre-standard technobabble being reused (heck, BR did callbacks to Trek on occasion with the most famous being a call to a Christopher Pike ("A Dream of Jennifer"...)

Did not know Asimov thought "positronics" was nonsensical. TNG season 1 could be varied, but not down to that level when even when TNG was otherwise striving to include known scientific accuracy where possible (my favorite of which being Data's suck vs blow in space dialogue to Riker in "The Naked Now" of all episodes, sheesh...)

Way-cool that the showrunner had known Asimov, so the homage was a cool touch. I did like that idea that a famous author's descendent, knowing of their distant progeny's work, would go into an element of the field that said lineage wrote fiction about - well, in-universe anyway. Now it seems just a tad larger as a result. A shame season 2 was such a wild mess...

There's also the fact that Data used one or two contractions in the first half of the episode but was suddenly asserted not to use contractions in the second half of the episode. That felt like very sloppy rewriting to me, like there were bits of different drafts in there and they hadn't managed to reconcile everything. Never mind that Data had used plenty of contractions in previous episodes.

Definitely feels like a botched rewrite and the episode is loaded with issues (the tone, presentation and acting make up for a fair amount but it's still way too cringeworthy in some aspects but, somehow, Brent Spiner carries it with his dual role and evil nature of Lore that's just eminently satisfying, even with the shields up that would otherwise prevent beaming bits of the Entity over.) Might have been more interesting if Lore subdued Data then reprogrammed him to stop using them, if they wanted to differentiate the two somehow (role reversal instead of the facial twitch nonsense), had the time to actually iron out the plot bugs took place.

Part of me wonders (sans proof) if that the contraction issues were due to having to hurry filming and nobody noticed until editing stage and couldn't fix it via dubbing. Even some stories after this one, in season 1 and later, bring up contractions (e.g. "We'll Always Have Paris" has a real goody in it). There's also a hilarious gaffe in "Conspiracy" where Riker orders warp 6 and Geordi replies 'Aye sir, full impulse". Among others.
 
Keye Luke would have been FANTASTIC (thanks for namedropping!). Sadly, he died in January 1991 so I wonder if he had health issues preventing taking the role.

I have the impression that had something to do with it, but I can't find confirmation.


I recall BR/season 2 mentioning "Positronic" and thought it was just genre-standard technobabble being reused (heck, BR did callbacks to Trek on occasion with the most famous being a call to a Christopher Pike ("A Dream of Jennifer"...)

That was thanks to Buck season 1 story editor Alan Brennert. You could tell he really, really wished he was writing Star Trek instead. (Although he also slipped in a PA call to Adam Strange in the same scene, I think.) Brennert wasn't involved in season 2, but its producers tried to retool the show to be even more like Trek, though unfortunately it ended up being much stupider (though the season 2 premiere and finale were both much smarter than the rest of the season).


Did not know Asimov thought "positronics" was nonsensical.

He was a biochemist and didn't know much about electronics or cybernetics. (He coined the word "robotics" because he didn't know "cybernetics" already existed.) He just figured "positronic" sounded like a futuristic counterpart to "electronic," but it makes no sense, since positrons are the antimatter counterparts of electrons, which suggests that the brain couldn't operate without blowing itself up, unless the whole thing were made of antimatter -- in which case it would operate identically to an electronic computer and would just be far more dangerous to work with, so what would even be the point?
 
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