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Does George Lucas like Star Trek?

Thrall said:
He doesn't like the way Paramount keeps doing, in his view, "it over and over and over again". Like new series and movies every few years. That's one of the reasons he's not doing anymore Star Wars films. It would cheapen them in his view.

Then maybe he should stop fucking with the original trilogy.
 
I think he has to like it since the inspiration for SW probably come from ST. I see him thinking, "Hmmm... 'Star Trek'... a show about peacefully exploring the universe. What would contrast with that?... Ah-ha! Star Wars!"

I really have no idea though, just thinking out loud.
 
Uss Stardis said:
I think he has to like it since the inspiration for SW probably come from ST.
Not to mention Asimov's Foudation, and several other classic scifi sources.

As to the thread title question, my response is: who cares?
 
exodus said:
137th Gebirg said:
exodus said:
Lucas has always been seen as someone who's very respectful of others as well as his peers. I don't think he was influenced by Trek in making Star Wars(it seems classic Buck Rodgers & Flash Gordon are more to his liking)but I do believe he has respect for what Trek has brought to the industry.

Lucas just comes off as a real nice guy & people person but not a Trek fan as we are Trek fans.

Yeah, except when it came to Battlestar Galactica - which, by the way, was acquitted of any wrong-doing, and was exonerated by the judge who adjudicated the case of having been different enough to not have been a "rip-off".

But hell, what do I know?
That's business and determined by Lucas' legal staff who saw BSG as a copyright infringement. None of that has anything to do with Lucas the man or his personality.

Actually, it's pretty common knowledge that Lucas had everything to do with the lawsuit - "at his urging" (first link) - corroborated by a conversation between Lucas' son and Larson's son by total accident (second link):

http://www.kobol.com/archives/BG-FAQ.html#G6
http://www.battlestargalactica.com/classicdocs/bg_interview0001.htm

I could probably try to find the actual public record posted back then, but I don't feel like shelling out $50 for the search. Suffice it to say, yes, it is a clear indication of the character of the man and his personality, and he'd do it again if he thought he'd have a chance.
 
TremblingBluStar said:
Uss Stardis said:
I think he has to like it since the inspiration for SW probably come from ST.
Not to mention Asimov's Foudation, and several other classic scifi sources.

As to the thread title question, my response is: who cares?

That, and plenty of comic books (especially New Gods). I mean Darth Vader is a fusion of Iron Man and Dr. Doom!
 
Let's not forget Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress, which was a huge influence. :)

And Lucas' criticism sited here is, I think, dead on. Oversaturation of the market was part of the reason the Berman-era ultimately tanked (though, as he was pressured to put up VOY and ENT by UPN, this was hardly his fault).
 
Thrall said:
He doesn't like the way Paramount keeps doing, in his view, "it over and over and over again". Like new series and movies every few years. That's one of the reasons he's not doing anymore Star Wars films. It would cheapen them in his view.

If he really believed this than he would have stopped at The Empire Strikes Back.

Anyway, Luces put Klingon writing on the monitor that Obi Wan wacks against in Star Wars Episode III. :thumbsup:
 
137th Gebirg said:
exodus said:
137th Gebirg said:
exodus said:
Lucas has always been seen as someone who's very respectful of others as well as his peers. I don't think he was influenced by Trek in making Star Wars(it seems classic Buck Rodgers & Flash Gordon are more to his liking)but I do believe he has respect for what Trek has brought to the industry.

Lucas just comes off as a real nice guy & people person but not a Trek fan as we are Trek fans.

Yeah, except when it came to Battlestar Galactica - which, by the way, was acquitted of any wrong-doing, and was exonerated by the judge who adjudicated the case of having been different enough to not have been a "rip-off".

But hell, what do I know?
That's business and determined by Lucas' legal staff who saw BSG as a copyright infringement. None of that has anything to do with Lucas the man or his personality.

Actually, it's pretty common knowledge that Lucas had everything to do with the lawsuit - "at his urging" (first link) - corroborated by a conversation between Lucas' son and Larson's son by total accident (second link):

http://www.kobol.com/archives/BG-FAQ.html#G6
http://www.battlestargalactica.com/classicdocs/bg_interview0001.htm

I could probably try to find the actual public record posted back then, but I don't feel like shelling out $50 for the search. Suffice it to say, yes, it is a clear indication of the character of the man and his personality, and he'd do it again if he thought he'd have a chance.
He'd be a bad business man if he or his lawyers didn't.

Sueing someone over what they believe as copywrite infringment doesn't make one a bad person. Why copyrite it in the first place if you didn't mind anyone stealing your ideas and making a profit off of them? He has to make sure his business, ideas & employees are secure or else he doesn't get the full profit off of it & everyone that works for him is loosing pay too. Film making is an art but it's also a job. Lucas still has to pay his staff with the profit from whatever his company(s) make. If someone steals his ideas, makes money off of it and he doesn't sue, then he's allowed someone else to take the food out of the mouths & pockets of all his employees. He's not fighting for just himself, he's securing the careers of everyone that works for him & with him.
 
Belar said:
I really don't know. But judging from the faces of the SW people in this video they don't seem to like Trek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p55YD8QhQ3o

Not to sound snarky, but if they didn't like it, why would they be laughing? Lest we forget that Carrie Fisher was invited to the Roast of William Shatner. I'd say the favor was repaid.

Turn the volume up, I say.
 
RyanKCR said:
I read in a magazine that at one of the anniversaries (25th?) at a connvetion that Roddenberry was at Darth Vader appeared on stage and handed Gene a telegram from Lucas congratulating him.

It was the 10th Anniversary Celebration of Star Wars (1987) put on by Starlog Magazine. At this celebration they had Gene Roddenberry meeting George Lucas on stage. That is when George Lucas stated that he took breaks from writing his Star Wars script to catch TOS reruns on TV. This was all published in Starlog itself.

I also ran across another tidbit that I haven't been able to confirm in any other source yet. The unauthorized biography of William Shatner mentioned that George Lucas during the 1970's wanted to purchase the rights to Star Trek. So far I haven't been able to collaborate this by any other source. Has anyone else seen this?
 
CaptCStark said:
RyanKCR said:
I read in a magazine that at one of the anniversaries (25th?) at a connvetion that Roddenberry was at Darth Vader appeared on stage and handed Gene a telegram from Lucas congratulating him.

It was the 10th Anniversary Celebration of Star Wars (1987) put on by Starlog Magazine. At this celebration they had Gene Roddenberry meeting George Lucas on stage. That is when George Lucas stated that he took breaks from writing his Star Wars script to catch TOS reruns on TV. This was all published in Starlog itself.

I also ran across another tidbit that I haven't been able to confirm in any other source yet. The unauthorized biography of William Shatner mentioned that George Lucas during the 1970's wanted to purchase the rights to Star Trek. So far I haven't been able to collaborate this by any other source. Has anyone else seen this?
No this was in the 90's and Gene was in a wheelchair. A lot of the casts were on stage with him and suddenly the lights went dark and the Imperial March started playing and Vader strode on stage handed Gene a telegram and he read it and gave it to Majel, who read it to everyone.

But what you said was also neat. Never heard that one before.
 
CaptCStark said:
[...]George Lucas during the 1970's wanted to purchase the rights to Star Trek. So far I haven't been able to collaborate this by any other source. Has anyone else seen this?

yeah, i've heard that too.
 
TremblingBluStar said:
As to the thread title question, my response is: who cares?
I have to admit that, even though Lucas sounds like a nice enough guy, I agree with these sentiments. It doesn't matter if he likes it or not, IMO. It's not his creative property, and he's just a fan like we are.

As for Star Wars fans, though? They've never liked us. :p

Because, deep down, they know that Star Trek will always be the superior creative work because it always, and has always, aspired to be more than Star Wars. Star Trek is a human adventure. Star Wars is a series of good movies. Nothing more. Nothing less.

:p ;)
 
steveman said:
TremblingBluStar said:
As to the thread title question, my response is: who cares?
I have to admit that, even though Lucas sounds like a nice enough guy, I agree with these sentiments. It doesn't matter if he likes it or not, IMO. It's not his creative property, and he's just a fan like we are.

As for Star Wars fans, though? They've never liked us. :p

Because, deep down, they know that Star Trek will always be the superior creative work because it always, and has always, aspired to be more than Star Wars. Star Trek is a human adventure. Star Wars is a series of good movies. Nothing more. Nothing less.

:p ;)

Go here and say that. :evil:
 
steveman said:
TremblingBluStar said:
As to the thread title question, my response is: who cares?
I have to admit that, even though Lucas sounds like a nice enough guy, I agree with these sentiments. It doesn't matter if he likes it or not, IMO. It's not his creative property, and he's just a fan like we are.

As for Star Wars fans, though? They've never liked us. :p

Because, deep down, they know that Star Trek will always be the superior creative work because it always, and has always, aspired to be more than Star Wars. Star Trek is a human adventure. Star Wars is a series of good movies. Nothing more. Nothing less.

:p ;)

Err geeky elitism blows, Trekkie elitism more so. Star Wars and Star Trek are two very different properties telling different kinds of stories. At varying points being entertaining and sometimes not so much so.

Star Wars vs Star Trek is such a wasted discussion since its like pitting apples and agianst oranges - different fruits. Depending on my mood I like both or neither and opt for a mango!

Sharr
 
Sharr Khan said:
Star Wars vs Star Trek is such a wasted discussion since its like pitting apples and agianst oranges - different fruits. Depending on my mood I like both or neither and opt for a mango!
Sharr
But when you're the two most popular science fiction-related properties of all-time, comparisons are going to be drawn, regardless. Not saying I totally agree or disagree with this line of thinking.

At any rate, though, I agree with your concluding sentiments. :D
 
The Mule said:
CaptCStark said:
[...]George Lucas during the 1970's wanted to purchase the rights to Star Trek. So far I haven't been able to collaborate this by any other source. Has anyone else seen this?

yeah, i've heard that too.
I never heard of Lucas wanting to buy the rights for Star Trek. He did want to buy the rights for Flash Gordon. Perhaps at some point someone got confused, thought it was Trek and passed it on and that got picked up similiar to the rumor than Alan Dean Foster ghost wrote the novelization to the first Trek movie when he actual ghost wrote the Star Wars novelization.
 
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