Does canon really matter?

[Spot261]

As long as they keep the warp throttle from the Kelvinverse, that's fine.

Yeah, I'm always amused by million odd tonne ship hurtling through the stars at hundreds of times the speed of light, every system balanced to tolerances measured in microns, making maneuvers which require nano second level timing to avoid disaster, yet somehow being controlled with a manual throttle.

 

[Kemaiku]

All the explosions on the bridge are caused by that massive power cable leading to the nacelles overloading.

Okay so you lose a few redshirts, but it looks so cool!

 

[Ridcully]

Canon?? What is this? A religion?

 

[STR]

And yet, the Borg changed significantly every time they showed up in TNG and then even more when they swapped to the First Contact / Voyager look, and rarely do people bring that up - and IMO it's because the looks were relatively confined to their particular show, allowing them to stay mentally isolated (for lack of a better term) to a corner of the franchise. YMMV of course.

Mark

Given that the Borg explicitly evolve rapidly, you'd expect them to change appearances as or more often than Starfleet upgrades their own hardware. As for FC/VOY Borg, everyone just chalks that one up to budgets just like they did for Klingons (until ENT ruined it).

There is such a think as taking things on screen too literally. Tora Ziyal didn't have 3 different faces.

 

[CRM-114]

Canon?? What is this? A religion?

For some, it is. Or at least, it might as well be.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Canon only matters if you're someone wishing to make officially licensed merchandise from CBS based on Star Trek. Otherwise, it's never been very important to anyone else.

Continuity, on the other hand...well, that depends on how much you want things to fit together.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Continuity, on the other hand...well, that depends on how much you want things to fit together.

And apparently a lot of people don't.

 

[Tenacity]

yet somehow being controlled with a manual throttle

My take is that the "manual throttle" in the Abrams-universe wasn't actually a throttle, but instead basically a large on and off safety switch for the warp drive.

 

[CRM-114]

Given that the Borg explicitly evolve rapidly, you'd expect them to change appearances as or more often than Starfleet upgrades their own hardware. As for FC/VOY Borg, everyone just chalks that one up to budgets just like they did for Klingons (until ENT ruined it).

There is such a think as taking things on screen too literally. Tora Ziyal didn't have 3 different faces.

As was pointed out in another thread, in ST09, Spock Prime recognizes Kirk and Scotty on sight. They never have to identify themselves to him.

I think there are times as fans where we lose sight of the fact that these things are done to serve the stories the makers of Star Trek want to tell, not necessarily how we will respond to them. I'm sure the makers of Star Trek hope the fans will respond positively, but that has to take a backseat to other things.

 

[Ridcully]

I don't really care, as long as these guys wanna make stories that works!
50 years of stuff that is not consistent...canon...yeah...big deal...just make it work and to be honest it is not 1966 anymore, nor is it the 80's and so on!

Keep the core Trek, and take it from there!

 

[cultcross]

Yeah, I'm always amused by million odd tonne ship hurtling through the stars at hundreds of times the speed of light, every system balanced to tolerances measured in microns, making maneuvers which require nano second level timing to avoid disaster, yet somehow being controlled with a manual throttle.

One of Trek's weirdest messages is its thing about the human touch being better than computer control (see Booby Trap for an explicit example. Stop giggling at the back.). There's no way at all that a manual pilot is better than a computer in the future the show presents, none at all. But the show consistently presents a sort of 'man over machine', 'don't rely on technology' moral. I find that odd.

 

[{ Emilia }]

One of Trek's weirdest messages is its thing about the human touch being better than computer control (see Booby Trap for an explicit example. Stop giggling at the back.). There's no way at all that a manual pilot is better than a computer in the future the show presents, none at all. But the show consistently presents a sort of 'man over machine', 'don't rely on technology' moral. I find that odd.

I suppose it makes for better drama when the crew is engaged during a battle instead of the captain saying: "Computer, take control." and then everybody just gets their lunch boxes and eats a banana while the computer performs all the necessary maneuvers.

 

[cultcross]

I suppose it makes for better drama when the crew is engaged during a battle instead of the captain saying: "Computer, take control." and then everybody just gets their lunch boxes and eats a banana while the computer performs all the necessary maneuvers.

Oh I get why we have a human pilot doing the hero thing from a dramatic perspective, but it seemed odd how much they deliberately drew attention to it, trying to argue it was objectively better. It seemed a strangely technophobic message for a show set on a starship

 

[starmike]

As long as they keep the warp throttle from the Kelvinverse, that's fine.

You mean like in TMP?

 

[Kemaiku]

You mean like in TMP?

I wouldn't be surprised if the 2009 throttle was a shoutout to the 1979 stick shift, and the fact it is in both universes means it should be fine for everyone to use it...

 

[fireproof78]

Oh I get why we have a human pilot doing the hero thing from a dramatic perspective, but it seemed odd how much they deliberately drew attention to it, trying to argue it was objectively better. It seemed a strangely technophobic message for a show set on a starship

That sounds more like a video game

You mean like in TMP?

DSC is nothing like TMP. TMP introduced several changes to the world, even though it was only ten years since TOS. Clearly, that was a completely disregard of canon and should be considered a new timeline.

 

[BillJ]

DSC is nothing like TMP. TMP introduced several changes to the world, even though it was only ten years since TOS. Clearly, that was a completely disregard of canon and should be considered a new timeline.

I do consider it (and the rest of the TOS films) part of a separate timeline. Along with Enterprise spinning off of the timeline created in First Contact.

 

[fireproof78]

I do consider it (and the rest of the TOS films) part of a separate timeline. Along with Enterprise spinning off of the timeline created in First Contact.

This explains so much.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I do consider it (and the rest of the TOS films) part of a separate timeline. Along with Enterprise spinning off of the timeline created in First Contact.

Except it isn't. It just looks different for production reasons.

 

[Kemaiku]

No need for all that splitting, that's just making a lot more work for yourself instead of just watching it.