Doctor Who – 4x12 – The Stolen Earth (Grade/Discuss)

[gobadine]

So all the rumours about whats going to happen or not, lets round up shall we.

Harriet Jones & Copper foundation - that has to tie up in the next episode as RTD is clearing the slate for the new exec producer.
You never saw Harriet Jones die! Also Davros knew about the 'agents of time' Does Harriet double cross? Sarah Jane pointed out that the Doctor Deposed her.
The Key Martha has is going to be the 'key' to victory, perhaps the worlds atomic weapons.

Mickey Smith was in the Doctor Who Confidential read through script. so he's back in the next episode.

Doctors regeneration - remember the Medussa Cascade is 1 second ahead, this may affect his regeneration, or Jack or the Hand might be used to stop Tennant changing.

Dalek Khan has never said in his predictions that the Daleks would win or who would die.

What is Donna? Does she die? Companions never really die apart from Adric and he really deserved to die as he was soooo annoying. Donna is destined to be something very important, she's already died once so she may sacrifice herself but I dont think its going to be a death. RTD pointed out in the last confidential that the explosions shown are not the biggest yet, and hinted the tardis may explode.
My own view is that Donna becomes the tardis or the life force of the tardis in some way or another.

the last thing to ponder is, is this all in another universe? is it happening in ours?

RTD may also be closing all the other universes off, or merging them all.

RTD cant use turning time back again to close this off. can he?

i know it doesnt help but it gives things to think about.

 

[Tomalak]

Re: Doctor Who – 4x12 – The Stolen Earth (Grade/Discuss)

You never saw Harriet Jones die!

Okay, we never saw her x-ray skeleton, but I think she's pretty dead.

Dalek Khan has never said in his predictions that the Daleks would win or who would die.

I believe it's Dalek Caan. So more Sunny Corleone than Mr Roarke.

 

[The Squire of Gothos]

You never saw Harriet Jones die!

Okay, we never saw her x-ray skeleton, but I think she's pretty dead.

Speaking of exterminations, RTD has really done much to quench rumours about Daleks being defeated by a flight of stairs. Daleks now fly everywhere and just in case they can't, we see them (as fans suggested) blowing up the entire building instead of just rumbling in after the humans.

 

[Irvy]

I doubt there will be a reset button. When a writer has taken on the mantle of a show like this, there's the feeling that you've been allowed to play with the special toys, but once your time is up, it's up to you to put the toys back where they were. I think we may well see him setting up the possibility of undoing the damage of the Time War. What else did Dalek Caan change? Has he now made it possible to bring the Time Lords back by breaking the Time Lock?

 

[JoeZhang]

I already know what happens to Donna....

and I'm not telling!


<runs away>

 

[DaiAndy]

OMG! That was unbelievable!!!! I'm almost lost for words! I'm so worried they pulled off a huge cover-up!!!! I like Ten!

Not sure I like some of the suggestions floating around about two doctors. We'll find out next Saturday! I can't wait!

 

[Australis]

BTW, did anyone notice that Jack was using the BFG from PoTW? I'm assuming he ramped it up a bit but I'm sure that's it.

 

[Servo]

Dalek Khan has never said in his predictions that the Daleks would win or who would die.

While he didn't mention a specific name, he did speak of the death of "the most faithful companion".

 

[JoeZhang]

Dalek Khan has never said in his predictions that the Daleks would win or who would die.

While he didn't mention a specific name, he did speak of the death of "the most faithful companion".

hum... maybe you are looking in the wrong direction?

 

[grabmygoblin]

Dalek Khan has never said in his predictions that the Daleks would win or who would die.

I believe it's Dalek Caan. So more Sunny Corleone than Mr Roarke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypeRzDDIejk

 

[DS9Continuing]

The means by which he produces more Kaleds was quite horribly logical.

And suspiciously similar to the way the Doctor's DNA was used to create Jenny, thinkest thou not?

Harriet Jones: "Harriet Jones, former Prime Minister".
Dalek, about to exterminate her: "Yes... we know who you are".

No matter how many times they pull that joke, I laugh.

Yep, sure there was some fanwank and of course the RTD obligatory finale scene with thousands of daleks in the sky, but who cares it's so cool!

Yeah, I'm surprised there's not more bitching about that, to be honest. Wasn't it only last year everyone was saying he was an uncreative hack who just writes the same season finale over and over, and here is yet another "No really, these are last survivors of the Time War" story, and everyone's sperming over their keyboards.

Also, prediction: In the first minute of next week, Mickey Smith will save Sarah Jane. It just makes sense, and gets him at least into the action quickly.

He was clearly seen at the table on the pre-filming read-through in the Confidential, which was a pretty bad spoiler for his return.

Ianto: "No broken bones. Slight loss of dignity. No change there then."

How they managed to transform Ianto from a boring cardboard cutout to one of the most awesome characters ever is something I'll never understand.

I do so adore Ianto.

 

[Aurian]

I cant fucking believe it.

Cant breathe

Excellent

Cant breathe

Dont do this to me!!

 

[David cgc]

Who next week is going to say: "Ooo! Can we cut his hand off and watch it grow back?"

Just a few days ago, I was hoping that the next time the Doctor regenerated, a Companion would be around who'd been through it before, so when he started doing the traditional post-regeneration freakout and warned them that "the regeneration is going wrong!" they could fire back, "When has it ever gone right?!"

 

[Csalem]

Fantastic episode with the greatest cliff-hanger ever. Sometimes I feel that I read too much on the net and read too many spoilers so I'm really enjoying this 'I don't know anything' feeling at the moment.

Also Harriet was the highlight for me. Outsatnding character and out-standing actor in Penelope.

It was nice to see the companions figuring everything out themselves rather than the Doctor just telling them what to do.

I think we should begin a countdown thread to next week!

 

[captcalhoun]

I heard the rumour that Donna get's a mind-wipe and survives.

there's also a rumour Ten gets split into his Human and Time-Lord halves and the human half goes and lives with Rose in Pete's World.

Jack, Gwen, Ianto, Sarah-Jane and Luke are all bulletproof though I reckon.

and I sincerely doubt DT's filming of the Xmas special was fake. that'd be ridiculously expensive and I can't imagine the press wouldn't've got wind of him leaving some how.

 

[TK421]

Wow! What an episode!

I cannot wait for next week!

I can't believe Tennant is going. Please tell me they're just trying to psyche me out!

 

[Tomalak]

Re: Doctor Who – 4x12 – The Stolen Earth (Grade/Discuss)

Dalek Khan has never said in his predictions that the Daleks would win or who would die.

I believe it's Dalek Caan. So more Sunny Corleone than Mr Roarke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypeRzDDIejk

 

[Classic Fan]

Fantastic.


And no opening credit for the milkman in sight.


Im not a big fan RTD eps but this was fantastic.

We finally see the Sahdow Proclamation after four years. How cool was that.

And the bees. Ive been telling everyone i know who watches Who that its to with the bees and i was right, the bees had something to with the plot, Yes, im fantastic.

But besiudes that, it was excellent.

Dalek Caan was a nice escape from the usual Dalek we get to see, going mad slowly and his emotions and feelings all over the place. Great but, at times creepy, comic relief from a Dalek.

And Davros and the Supreme Dalek... WW.

The makeup and the performance of Davros was astounding. It was menacing and scary, creepy and comic all at the same time.

It was great to watch, it was so well paced and told.

And the fact that all of this was happening and The Doctor was completley unaware

And the way Jack, Martha and sarah reacted to the Dalek voices and almost instantly gave up and told everyone they were sorry.

I also loved the way The Doctor and Sarah Jane were the only two to react in astonishment and disbelief at the sound of Davros' voice. I was hoping they would do this with Sarah Jane, she was visibly shaken and just didnt know what to do.

We also saw The Doctor give up when the Tardis stopped at the Medusa Cascade, that was amazing. Actually stop and stare aimlessly at the center console, just giving up.


And the final reveal where he thinks its Rose who is the other signal trying to get through and its actually Davros whos voice crackles into existance: "Your voice is different, but its arrogance is unchanged" before finally appearing on his screen. Tennants acting was superb, those eyes just speak a thousand words with a glance, its fantatstic.

The explanation as to how he was still alive was better than i had hoped. And the fact it was all due to Dalek Caan who shifted back into the time war and saved him so as to create a whole new race of Daleks, quite litterally, from his own dna was great.

The Doctor: "After all this time, after everything we've seen, after everything we lost i only have one thing to say to you... BYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYE"

And i was not, repeat NOT expecting the whole externation/regeneration after the reunion with Rose. That took me completely off guard.

I hope they handle this cleverly though, i dont want to see another reset button where its all put back in the last ten minutes. I want them to either explain the regeneration was some kind of botched one or that it was a regeneration but i want a clever way or turning it back on itself.

Or, heres a shot in the dark here, it could be The Master regneratiing into the Doctors body in a different form. Taking over The Doctor or something or other, i dunno, i can wish.

Although, Caan refered to the 3 fold man, dunno about anyone else, but that could be a reference to a botched regeneration of sorts where he could either take on characteristics of previous regenerations or physically split into three regenerations.

Also, anyone else think Sylvester McCoy was dressed kinds suspiciously in his interview afterward?
Dalek: "My vision is NOT impaired" Nice dig a Bakers Doctors hat trick.

 

[Lonemagpie]

here is yet another "No really, these are last survivors of the Time War" story,

Except they're not - these are *new* Daleks created from Davros' cells

 

[Ariadne]

Okay, I'll eat my words from yesterday - I wasn't disappointed.

The Shadow Proclamation was really cool, although not what I was expecting.

And the bees were great. That sort of reminded me of the dolphins in the Hitchhiker's Guide.