Do You Want To See One Big Ass, Insane Fleet Battle?
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But it would be about the people... and how they try to get out of one big ass, insane fleet battle alive!
I don't think I'd necessarily want to see a "BIG ASS FLEET BATTLE"...
But I wouldn't mind seeing several LONG scenes in the movie showing "BIG ASS FLEET'S" on maneuvers or a standing "BIG ASS FLEET" parked around a Starbase, Orbital Dock or in Synchronous Orbit around a "BIG ASS" Planet.
Lots of Scouts, Destroyers and/or Many Different Types of StarFleet/Non StarFleet Ships all doing something more than just being shown in a static shot!
I wanna see lots of MOVEMENT in the shot.
What I think would be really cool, is having one or more scenes be a Movable Feast, as if we were actually in a workbee, a shuttle craft or even on the Bridge of a Capital Ship looking out the Viewscreen, while moving in and around that "BIG ASS FLEET" while IT is going about it's daily activity of coming and going.
Perhaps a scene or two of the ENTERPRISE (from both Interior Viewscreen and Exterior Medium shot views) joining or leaving such a "BIG ASS FLEET" after finishing their mission at the end of the movie or recieving orders from an Admiral on say, a Dreadnought Flagship, near the begining of the movie.
Just to see Her maneuvering and adjusting Her path on the way to the middle of the "BIG ASS FLEET" would be sooo KOOL!
Anyway,
I'd love to see ANY of the above or some combination of such.
But I wouldn't mind seeing several LONG scenes in the movie showing "BIG ASS FLEET'S" on maneuvers or a standing "BIG ASS FLEET" parked around a Starbase, Orbital Dock or in Synchronous Orbit around a "BIG ASS" Planet.
Lots of Scouts, Destroyers and/or Many Different Types of StarFleet/Non StarFleet Ships all doing something more than just being shown in a static shot!
I wanna see lots of MOVEMENT in the shot.
What I think would be really cool, is having one or more scenes be a Movable Feast, as if we were actually in a workbee, a shuttle craft or even on the Bridge of a Capital Ship looking out the Viewscreen, while moving in and around that "BIG ASS FLEET" while IT is going about it's daily activity of coming and going.
Perhaps a scene or two of the ENTERPRISE (from both Interior Viewscreen and Exterior Medium shot views) joining or leaving such a "BIG ASS FLEET" after finishing their mission at the end of the movie or recieving orders from an Admiral on say, a Dreadnought Flagship, near the begining of the movie.
Just to see Her maneuvering and adjusting Her path on the way to the middle of the "BIG ASS FLEET" would be sooo KOOL!
Anyway,
I'd love to see ANY of the above or some combination of such.
No. Fleet battles are boring, and they aren't what Star Trek is about.
I know that was supposed to be a joke, but you've actually made a valid point anyway.archeryguy1701 said:But it would be about the people... and how they try to get out of one big ass, insane fleet battle alive!
The ONLY way that a "big ass battle" is worth watching is if it's merely the setup for something deeply personal. The battle itself is BORING unless there's a real, internal human conflict.
To use a Trek example... the beginning of DS9, where we see a flashback to the battle of Wolf 359. That's a "big-ass battle" but the battle itself isn't very interesting. The interesting part is about Sisko and how he reacts to the death of his wife.
To use a more "over the top" example... think of "The Poseidon Adventure" (any of the various versions will work). The idea that this big ship flips over and starts sinking is visually "kewl" but if that was the entire story... it would have been totally unwatchable. What made it into entertainment were the "human stories" that were placed in that setting. (I'm not calling it "high art" but it WAS a "blockbuster" that brought in lots of money and was really entertaining to the audiences!) Give us a movie with lots of kewl effects but leave out the worthwhile part, and the movie might as well have been a Discovery channel documentary... and a bad one at that.
EVERY FILM THAT'S WORTH WATCHING IS ABOUT INTIMATE HUMAN ISSUES. Sometimes you can get to those through a SETTING which is full of big 'splosions or other such stuff, but the stuff that makes it worth watching isn't the stuff that makes the setting... is it? (Think of "Saving Private Ryan" for instance... a very human story, regardless of the "epic" setting.)
If the inclusion of a space battle doesn't stand in the way of telling a story, I don't see the problem. You could argue that Star Trek isn't about fistfights either, yet we can create an etire 50-minute episode from the fistfight footage we've seen in TOS. Star Trek is as much about entertainment as it is about exploring the human condition. Don't put it on too high a pedestal.
That's pretty much the direct opposite of what I think the perspective SHOULD be.
You say "if it doesn't stand in the way of the story, put it in."
I say "only put it in if it ADVANCES the story."
A "big ass battle" which is present for no other purpose than to be a "big ass battle" is really a waste of screen time.
True, when the story could have actually been serviced in some way, instead, we get eye candy.
Space battles are much more interesting when there is an actual sense of stakes, consequences, not just another pointless shoot 'em up.
IMO, of course.
Space battles are much more interesting when there is an actual sense of stakes, consequences, not just another pointless shoot 'em up.
IMO, of course.
We don't need a fleet battle. The Enterprise vs. another ship or two...yeah!
Agreed. Trek has never been about big-ass, insane fleet battles and when they tried it, or when they had the oppurtunity *cough*First Contact*cough*, they come off as rank ametures. The opening flyby secquence in Revenge Of The Sith alone, before the dialogue, puts every attempted Trek battle to shame. I doubt Trek XI will be any different.
First: Not unless it serves the story in some way, and if the story *calls for it*. Also it shouldn't look as claustrophobic as Trek usually presents these things.
I love the opening of "Revenge Of The Sith", the drum-thump really gives it a sense of weight and import. As to your second point - if a huge space battle is *called for* I've every confidence that this production team will give it a sense of scope not seen before in Star Trek.
There's no reason any of the assumptions regarding previous production must hold true for this endeavor into Star Trek, infact there's more reason to assume the mold will be broken a new one established.
Sharr
I love the opening of "Revenge Of The Sith", the drum-thump really gives it a sense of weight and import. As to your second point - if a huge space battle is *called for* I've every confidence that this production team will give it a sense of scope not seen before in Star Trek.
There's no reason any of the assumptions regarding previous production must hold true for this endeavor into Star Trek, infact there's more reason to assume the mold will be broken a new one established.
Sharr
You misread my comment. I do not say "if it doesn't stand in the way of the story, put it in". I say, when I am sitting in the theater watching Trek XI, and there is a large space battle that makes sense with regards to the story and doesn't feel awkward, I won't mind it. I'll probably be cheering, because I am fanboyish enough to get a big kick out of seeing Federation starships engage in full-out carnage.
However, I won't be arguing in favour of the inclusion of space battles in this film, but if it's done right I won't be complaining either.
I would be happy to just see one big ass insane good movie. If a star war helps, then I say go for it.
Like in TWOK. Enterprise v. Reliant had plenty of suspense and action for a battle scene.
Frankly, a large fleet battle, even if it matters to the story, smacks of fanwank because such a large scene would require a tremendous build up within the story in order to have it pay off.
And, I can already hear all the fanboys in the theater letting out an orgasmic, "Kewl!" at the end of it.
Exactly... that's why every single one of the most popular, widely-accepted movies (of ANY type) from the past several years have all had "big-ass space battles" in them. Nobody can possibly enjoy a movie without one of those. I especially enjoy the "big ass space battles" in the romantic comedy category... those are AWESOME!
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Seriously... it's mainly the Sci-fi geeks who are so adamant about needing "big-ass battles." The non-sci-fi-geek types couldn't care less about that and, generally speaking, roll their eyes as the fanboys hoot and holler over the "big honkin' 'splosions!"
Truth be told, most non-sci-fi-fan types I, personally, know tend to get bored during the "big-ass battles" and only get interested when the HUMAN stuff is happening. Witty dialog, interpersonal conflict, all that... THAT is what "general audiences" care about.
Not "big ass battles."
Personally, I'm less about the insane space battles, and more about the duel to death.
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