Do You Want To See One Big Ass, Insane Fleet Battle?

[FabiusMaximus]

I think the $ is finally there for something like this, but does it serve the film? If it does, cool. It could also be an "element" for the general audience who also like those kinds of space battles in their science fiction -- lest we forget our new brothers to the franchise.

I actually believe there is a strong possibility for it.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

StarMan said:
I love me my fleet battles. DS9's Sacrifice Of Angels gave me goosebumps watching all those Galaxy, Reliant, Akira and Excelsior class ships (and lest we forget the Oberth class) diving into the Dominion/Cardassian fleet.

Not that it's the be all and end all, of course. It's very fanboyish. But I must admit a small part of me would love to see the Enterprise lead a fleet of ships into battle and unleash an absurd amount of mayhem.

You?

As far as I'm concerned... I sure hope not.

Don't get me wrong... I LOVED the "big fleet battles" in DS9. But that's because it was part of a long, building of tension... if they'd simply started DS9 with that level of "tension" up front, it would have fallen flat. (Yes, the series started with a battle, but the point of the battle was to set up Sisko's emotional state, not to show the battle per-se.)

What I'd really like to see would be a big crisis event where there is no "fighting" at all. A great example of a BAD way of handling that was the "nexus" in Generations at the beginning of the film.

Now, imagine if that opening sequence was stretched out into a real "crisis" rather than an "introduction sequence" only. What if the whole movie had been about a fleet of civilian ships getting caught in a natural disaster and an unprepared ship and crew being sent (because there's no one else to handle it) to perform the rescue.

No "mustache-twirling villain" but definitely the making for some good drama.

Imagine that the ship sent is a cadet cruise, under the command of a Starfleet lieutenant who's at his Command School training (like Saavik was in TWOK). And the REAL captain of the ship is injured or otherwise disabled... leaving the young lieutenant in REAL command, not just "training" command.

Imagine that there's a civilian doctor on one ship in the "disaster" who's looking for a new life after a particularly ugly divorce. He's not in Starfleet... yet.

Eventually, imagine a major Starfleet cruiser coming to the rescue, but only after the cadet crew and their unproven "captain" have been "on station" for a long time.

That's the movie I WANT to see.

NO VILLAIN. NO BIG BATTLES. Something new, and something different... but something exciting, and which demonstrates just how dangerous of a place space really is.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

I would rather see a space battle in which the victor outfoxed his opponent rather than outgunned him -- such as Balance of Terror or TWOK. I find an all-out explosion filled, last ship standing-type space battle to be very unsatisfying, especially if it lasts for more than 10 or 15 minutes of screentime.

Huge battles -- huge in both scope and screentime -- bore me. I actually fell asleep in my theater seat during that last urban battle in Transformers; that battle could have been only 10 minutes long and I still would have understood the point of it, and it would have had the same effect on the plot. The battle WAS necessary to the plot, but the scope of the battle onscreen was too large and too drawn-out to allow me to care what was happening (but it was Michael Bay, so what did I expect?)

 

[Woulfe]

Yet another single choice poll by some crazy man.....

 

[EnsignJulka]

If it goes with the plot then I don't mind seeing lots of ships blowing up, might make the experience of going to the cinema more exciting...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

What, another one?

 

[Balrog]

Samuel T. Cogley said:
I just want to see one big ass.

I still like smallish ones myself.

And I'm only hoping for a moderately-assed, mildly neurotic space fleet battle.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Yes, another battle akin to "Sacrifice of Budget" would be groovy.

 

[Stag]

While I don't think it is representative of the original Rodberrian view of the TREK universe, the Ultimate Computer ep sort of implies that during war, Starfleet operates its ships in small squadrons.

Therefore, the fanboy in me would like to see squadrons of one nacelled destroyers (i.e. the Technical Manual version) or something very similar engaged in some sort of battle. Maybe with a young Kirk at the helm of one of the ships or leading the squadron.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

I think DS9 did the Big Space Battles better than anyone.

Why try to improve on perfection?

No poll choice for that though.

 

[StarMan]

Kinnison said:

Samuel T. Cogley said:
I just want to see one big ass.

For the last time: Shatner's not going to be in the movie!!!

I love a big fleet battle as much as the next man, but I don't know how appropriate it would be. There's a lot of dialogue in TOS that implies that there aren't many starships in Starfleet in those days.

There weren't that many ships in TOS days because so many were destroyed in my proposed big ass, insane fleet battle.

You've Been Canoned!™

 

[CaptJimboJones]

PKTrekGirl said:
I think DS9 did the Big Space Battles better than anyone.

Why try to improve on perfection?

Enterprise also did a few pretty good fleet battles in the third season, I thought.

 

[ancient]

I don't have anything against it, maybe as an opener. But at the end of the day, it should come down to a one-on-one battle between the ENTERPRISE and some enemy, as in TWOK.

Starship Polaris said:
What, another one?

That's what I said when I heard Hollywood was making movies & TV shows again next year. Haven't they made enough? Why don't they stop and just...shut down or something?!

 

[Neroon]

PKTrekGirl said:
I think DS9 did the Big Space Battles better than anyone.

Well.... in Trek I suppose that's so....


My gut feeling on this question is that it would seem almost... out of place. I don't know that anything I saw on Star Trek precluded the possibility of a large-scale battles involving a humongous fleet of ships. And yet... that original series didn't strike me as heading down a path like that. Whether that was how GR et al envisions Trek at the time, or perhaps that it was a function of the budget and effects of the era, such battles don't seem to fit in the context of prior to the original series.

Don't misconstrue that as requiring that every aspect of Trek XI match up to the original series with acute precision. Far from it.

 

[Plum]

Do You Want To See One Big Ass, Insane Fleet Battle?

What guy doesn't?

I would hope, of course, it was emotionally satisfying and visually stunning. To this day, the opening battle with the Borg cube in DS9s first ep (uhh, Emissary?) is my fav. We had a great emotional story following Sisko in the battle, and terrific FX shots that satisfied. And hey, those starships that vectored into the battle, turning like a spaceship can, was about the coolest thing I've seen a starship do!

 

[S'kai]

Only someone who has never been in one would want to see a Big Ass, Insane Fleet Battle. One is enough for me.

 

[Mallory]

Do You Want To See One Big Ass, Insane Fleet Battle?

Not particularly, since that was never what Trek was about.

 

[Plum]

^^^
Never? Maybe 40 years ago.

 

[jayrath]

No. I do not want to see "one big ass, insane fleet battle" at all. Action-adventure is swell, but the best of Trek has always been about people; who they are -- who they could be; how they fall short; how they transcend their human frailties.

No more dune buggy chases, ships smashing, or insane fleet battles, thanks very much.

 

[Tibbetts]

StarMan said:
I love me my fleet battles. DS9's Sacrifice Of Angels gave me goosebumps watching all those Galaxy, Reliant, Akira and Excelsior class ships (and lest we forget the Oberth class) diving into the Dominion/Cardassian fleet.

Not that it's the be all and end all, of course. It's very fanboyish. But I must admit a small part of me would love to see the Enterprise lead a fleet of ships into battle and unleash an absurd amount of mayhem.

You?

I'd love to see a fleet battle. Or, a battle between "Enterprise" and another vessel. I'll settle for that. If this movie proves productive, maybe they'll put a fleet engagement in the next one.


-Tibbetts