Do You Want Chloe To Die?
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Do I want Chloe to die?
No, I expect her to talk!
Wait a minute, I think I got something backwards there....
No, I expect her to talk!
Wait a minute, I think I got something backwards there....
Chloe is so dull, I don't really care, so I guess killing her off wouldn't mean very much.
I would rather they kill off the Ming Na character. I can't stand her. She's also not terribly believable. I liked Ming Na on ER, but here, she's like nails on a chalkboard to me. She's doing something with her voice that sounds very unnatural and stiff.
I would rather they kill off the Ming Na character. I can't stand her. She's also not terribly believable. I liked Ming Na on ER, but here, she's like nails on a chalkboard to me. She's doing something with her voice that sounds very unnatural and stiff.
Don't understand the Chloe hate. She's not as bad as token black angsty grunter.
I'll preface this by saying I enjoy Greer.
What does Chloe add to the show besides a whiner, fuck buddy for Scott, and someone for Eli to fawn over?
Actually, Ford getting killed off might have had to do with backstage stuff, since I've heard that the producers had problems with the cast.
I heard they just did not know what to do with Ford.
Do you mean they did not like rainbow?
Apparently the entire SGA cast was considered "difficult" to work with because they wanted their characters to be developed, so Rainbow Sun Franks might have done something to tick off the producers and that might be why he was written out of the show.
Considering SGA had a habit of writing off cast members seemingly on a whim in the interests of "shaking things up" I'll assume that was the case with Ford.
Honestly, I hope they don't fall into this habit with SGU and actually put an effort into developing the cast they already have.
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I see a lot of people saying kill Chloe or kill Wray so what people are saying is that they want the show to be populated solely by the military and scientists because the civilians add nothing. Annoying civilians seem to be the staple of Stargate but their absence would leave a whole possible avenue of plot lines unavailable, so people need to just accept why they are there.
I agree that Chloe's presence in pretty much every episode is unnecessary unless somebody gives her a defined role on the ship (and its unrealistic that Wray would not have done so by now) and in some ways its limiting for the wider supporting cast whose development is inevitably stilted by sharing screen time - and some of them deserve the chance to develop (I seriously wouldn't mind observing the dynamic between Greer and his 'girlfriend' but any potential for that 'relationship' is fading fast because of the amount of time that has passed since they shagged).
Kill her, no. Limit her screen time to half or 2/3 of the season's episodes so that somebody else can develop and so that when she does appear she gets to do something worthwhile, yes.
You're reading way too much into it.
Most people, myself included, who want Chloe or Wray gone is because they are horribly annoying "actresses" who are totally annoying and unlikeable.
I mean, the whole cast is horrible, without exception, but those two are particularly bad.
Nonsense! The whole cast is very muted. With some it works well (still waters run deep - Greer in particular) but when the whole cast is doing a moody, there is insufficient contrast between the characters for us to engage with them on a meaningful level. Things are starting to liven up but they need to give these people more indentifiable personalities - or any personality. I don't want huge caricatures like Rodney, Tealc, Vala, or Ronin, but something in between.
Edit: Laura Roslin had to fulfill a similar role to Camille Wray and yet she wasn't a dislikeable character. She had a sense of humour, a sense of mischief and when she butted heads with the military it wasn't always clear whose position was correct. In fairness to Wray, I don't think she is universally wrong but the heavy focus on the military characters cons us into believing that our loyalties should lie exclusively with them. They need to shift some of that focus.
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Because I've been watching Stargate for 15 years since the sg-1 premiere and I want to give SGU a chance to grow on me?
No my opinion isn't nonsense thank you.
No my opinion isn't nonsense thank you.
I dislike Chloe and Wray for different individual reasons, not because they are civilians.
I dislike Chloe because she gets so much screen time, and is just there, she never really does anything. If Chloe had never made it to Destiny how would the first season be different? Other than when the aliens captured her, which was far and away her best moments in the first season(but which would have been someone else if she wasn't around), what has she done? What does she add to the show? Main characters should be interesting, add something. It would be fine if Chloe were a secondary or tertiary character, but as it is she is one of the four characters with the most screen time.
As to Wray, she wants to share command of Destiny, and thinks the civilians should have a voice in decision making.
Why?
It is a military funded mission, it is in a military setting, facing constant danger and threat of enemy attack. You signed up to serve under military command presumably.
There are what 80 people on Destiny? You do not need a civilian leadership like BSG.
Wray just seems power hungry, and has never provided a good reason why she should have any power what-so-ever.
I dislike Chloe because she gets so much screen time, and is just there, she never really does anything. If Chloe had never made it to Destiny how would the first season be different? Other than when the aliens captured her, which was far and away her best moments in the first season(but which would have been someone else if she wasn't around), what has she done? What does she add to the show? Main characters should be interesting, add something. It would be fine if Chloe were a secondary or tertiary character, but as it is she is one of the four characters with the most screen time.
As to Wray, she wants to share command of Destiny, and thinks the civilians should have a voice in decision making.
Why?
It is a military funded mission, it is in a military setting, facing constant danger and threat of enemy attack. You signed up to serve under military command presumably.
There are what 80 people on Destiny? You do not need a civilian leadership like BSG.
Wray just seems power hungry, and has never provided a good reason why she should have any power what-so-ever.
Checkmate
Commodore
Sorry, but opinions can be and often are nonsense.
I seriously doubt if we'll ever have a chance to see any of the cast members actually do anything appealing as actors because the writing, direction, and storylines are fucking God-awful. It takes truly phenomenal actors to polish a piece of shit into something even remotely likable, and the only castmember even close to being able to do that is Robert Carlyle. And guess what... even he can't do much with it.
Even old favorites from the franchise itself, like Anderson and Shanks, have been sucker punched in the face over and over again into their characters are turned into equally dull and boring clumps of flesh.
So yeah. Your opinion is nonsense since you're basing an actor's ability on this crap of a show.
I agree - but these are issues that could be aired within the plot. I agree that Chloe hangs around doing very little - she has no purpose and it's grim that the writers haven't given her something specific like resource management.
Wray is a big fish in a small pond - it's perfectly understandable that she wants to be in control of her own destiny (no pun intended). SGA gave us the template for a civilian in charge of a military project too so her position isn't as wierd as you suggest.
The fact that the military on Earth isn't overly happy with Young either must add to her unease. I think in Season 2 Young should be relieved of command by the SGC to shake up the hierarchy and give us a fresh dynamic. As for who should take over...? I think Wray would end up wanting Young back in charge but if they do it, they need to make it a permanent thing for half the season at least.
Lt. James should be the leader, since she's had practically no positive character development in season 1, but she's apparently more competent than Lt. Scott and that's why she gets my vote.
Scott would get Wray's vote though since he's displayed a certain amount of willingness to work with the civilian leadership - I'd think he'd be very good too, but he's perhaps a bit too inexperienced and hesitant. James has suffered a bit in the same way as Duala did in BSG - lots of potential but relegated to just chipping in occasionally when he angst over Scott gets in the way. She needs a plot arc orf her own but I also think that she seems too inexperienced to handle leadership on her own. Maybe she needs a 'Troi' moment where she has to take charge and excels at it (ok I realise Troi was awful at leadership but at least it led to the writers utilising her character as an officer as opposed to just a counselor). If she can up her game, I'd be happy to see James take over.
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