Do you think LGBT characters will feature more prominently?

[borgboy]

Every regular character was established as being straight. To say, maybe that ensign who never got a name is gay or maybe Geordie is bi and we just never happened to see him date a man is incredibly unsatisfying.
Sure, I expect some of the minor undeveloped characters could be gay, that extra could be bi, but that's incredibly unsatisfying.
I do agree they absolutely should not make being LGBT an issue at all. It should be a completely normal state of being.

 

[Guy Gardener]

No one was established as adamantly straight.

No one out right said "I'm not gay!" or "My lesbian college experiment, didn't completely finish till I turned 35."

(No, there was some stuff in DS9 almost?)

Even Soren from The Outcast didn't say that she wasn't a lesbian.

HEY!?

In Generations, whenever they were talking about the threat of Soran blowing up that planet to get back into his ribbon, or we have to stop Soran, Riker had to be wet day dreaming a little about Soren, right?

 

[borgboy]

I get what you're saying Guy, but over half a century of characters only exhibiting heterosexuality isn't going to get credit for LGBT inclusion just because no one came out and said they weren't bisexual.
But sure, there's wiggle room for some characters to be redefined as bisexual if handled well, not that I expect the new movies or series to do that. If we get gay characters they'll be new characters, which is how it should be. Redefining established characters can be done well, but it can also be awkward.

 

[Clym]

it shouldn't be an issue, by the 24th Century they will have found a cure

 

[borgboy]

it shouldn't be an issue, by the 24th Century they will have found a cure

Wow.
As a gay Trek fan I can say it'll be a relief when the new series finally gives us some gay characters to put that tired old "joke" to rest.

 

[Clym]

you don't think it's genetic?

 

[Guy Gardener]

There was an episode of Tripping The Rift where the crew had to pass as gay, to side step the anti-straight tariffs and legislation u...

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[Guy Gardener]

you don't think it's genetic?

You're picking a fight with a stupid fake science.

That's rude.

 

[Clym]

You're picking a fight with a stupid fake science.

That's rude.

genetic science will cure every illness in the future, even cancer. Perhaps you should stick to homeopathy

 

[Guy Gardener]

But genetics don't determine sexual orientation, and if genetics did determine sexual orientation, a person with an agenda could just as easily make more gays per million than straights per million.

Honestly, considering our issues currently with over population, if I could could drop a gay bomb I would without hesitation.

It's a really humane way to halve the population, so the oil will last longer.

 

[borgboy]

I think people are born gay.
I don't think being gay is an illness that needs to be cured.

 

[Clym]

I think people are born gay.
I don't think being gay is an illness that needs to be cured.

OK so it's not an illness, but if genetics COULD prevent future people from being born gay, would it be ethical to do that?

might make a good moral dilemma for a Trek episode

 

[borgboy]

I don't see any ethical reason to eliminate gay people since there's nothing wrong with us.
It might make a good moral dilemma sci fi story, but it would be completely wrong for Trek as Trek's future is supposed to have an evolved humanity who are no longer racist, sexist and homophobic.

 

[Clym]

But genetics don't determine sexual orientation, and if genetics did determine sexual orientation, a person with an agenda could just as easily make more gays per million than straights per million.

Honestly, considering our issues currently with over population, if I could could drop a gay bomb I would without hesitation.

It's a really humane way to halve the population, so the oil will last longer.

it would be interesting to drop a gay bomb on ISIS or the Taliban. What would Allah think?

Once the whole Middle East has been sissified, then we could grab their oil

A more realistic way to solve the population problem would be to drop some sort of sterilising chemical over the Third World.

 

[borgboy]

So making the Middle East gay somehow makes them unable to defend their oil? Where's your logic there? Those skills aren't tied to a heterosexual gene.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Middle East has too much Drama.

Drama is stupid.

Earlier, I meant that if we were mostly gay for a decade or two, there would be far less (accidental) babies, while everyone else (the old, and idiots) would die naturally without having any immediate replacements. Of course after 15 years of taking a shot in the arm every month to stay in love with my boyfriend, would I really want to give up on the most healthy relationship I've ever been involved in, just because the president says that the restriction on boobs has been lifted?

If American was 40 million people, you wouldn't need foreign Oil.

Isis wouldn't have an enemy, and they'd get bored, and probably go back to dirt farming or whatever it is that is done over there for fun.

I saw on the Daily Show that Isis is having man power issues because they can't source funds to pay for health insurance for it's fighters, who are now mostly police and other first responders. Hell, I saw one of them directing traffic. HILL-ARIOUS!

Irony.

Smashing and building are quite different occupations.

 

[Clym]

So making the Middle East gay somehow makes them unable to defend their oil? Where's your logic there? Those skills aren't tied to a heterosexual gene.

do they allow gays in the Saudi army? Unlikely

back to the topic, I think the new series could have an entire alien race who are homosexual - each gender only mates with itself. Heteros are considered abnormal and persecuted

 

[Guy Gardener]

Homosexuality is illegal in Saudi Arabia, and punishable by state execution.

Fines, floggings, prison time up to life, torture, chemical castrations,[1] whipping torture, and/or Death penalty on first offense. If convicted twice, you will be executed. Vigilante executions are very common as well,[2] especially by families who want to "save face". The police participate in executions/torture or turn a blind eye to it.[3] Islamic Sharia law is strictly and emphatically applied

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Saudi_Arabia

What I found weird (almost "ha-ha" even) is if you accuse someone of being gay, and the police don't believe you, you get 80 lashes from a whip, for slander.

So no, gays are not allowed to serve in the military.

 

[borgboy]

Even if this hypothetical gay bomb went off, I seriously doubt we'd see much change at all. In that repressive environment everyone would repress repress repress. I'd think it far more likely for years you'd just have a lot of people going about their business as usual publicly, the same way the closeted gays that are already there are doing, including closeted gay soldiers.
I do wonder how a gay bomb would effect actual gay people. I'm going to go with super powers.
And debates of canon aside, the novels have had LGBT characters for years, including a gay couple on Voyager in Jeri Taylor's Pathways novel.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If you followed the link above, you would know...

The gay bomb was real.

American scientists tried to build one for the army.

They failed.

It is real, but it didn't work.