Do you think Barclay and Troi had sex when they went on a date at the end of "The Nth Degree"?

[Mojochi]

I don't think so, more than once on the show it's been said that there a steep selection process to gain entry into Starfleet, it's just plain hard to get in.

In addition, Barclay said that his fear of the transporter was based upon his detailed knowledge of it, would he have possessed that detailed knowledge as a older teenager prior to entering Starfleet and going through Starfleet technical training?

He's a tech geek. Why wouldn't he have known about transporter tech as a teen? Those are the formative years.
Honestly, I have no problem expecting that the Starfleet who let's a blind guy with artificial vision into their ranks might also let a guy with some emotional discrepancies. They got Vulcans in Starfleet. Clearly, odd emotional conditions are not a big worry for them

 

[Qonundrum]

Why would you assume everyone here has seen Red Dwarf?

Have you seen every science fiction/fantasy show I've seen?

Not everybody has seen the misadventures of Dave Lister, Kryten, Cat, and Rimmer, and Holly once in a while, but everyone really should. That or The Inquisitor paid attention to those folks in alternate lives, hehe...

 

[Nakita Akita]

Such as Barclay?

But after Barclay got done help he was an asset. He was just really shy.
There are jobs he could have had for years where that might not have mattered at all.

 

[Marynator]

Difficult does not mean discriminatory

I totally 100% agree, I cannot imagine Starfleet wouldn't let him in because he has personality quirks. I also really don't think they'd like discriminate because he has a fear of transporters, I can't see them thinking everyone has to feel the same way, what if there's like an alien species who has a spiritual objection to transporters, like how some Native Americans don't like to be photographed?

 

[Nakita Akita]

I totally 100% agree, I cannot imagine Starfleet wouldn't let him in because he has personality quirks. I also really don't think they'd like discriminate because he has a fear of transporters, I can't see them thinking everyone has to feel the same way, what if there's like an alien species who has a spiritual objection to transporters, like how some Native Americans don't like to be photographed?

Well supposedly Dr.McCoy didn't like transporters. Dr. Pulasky didn't like them either. I think Mrs. Troi said that she didn't like them either.

 

[Spot261]

But after Barclay got done help he was an asset. He was just really shy.
There are jobs he could have had for years where that might not have mattered at all.

Exactly, Starfleet look for what potential officers bring to the table, not reasons to discriminate. Yes the selection process is difficult but there is no reason to suppose those difficulties should be made such that someone with a disability couldn't overcome them.

There are a great many roles on a starship and for obvious reasons we tend to disproportionately see a select and exciting few onscreen. Many (most?) will rarely if ever go on away missions, especially ones where combat is likely, complex social skills or physical prowess needed.

They would match the person to a job which required the skill set they have and reasonably adjust the job to the person where possible, much as employers are expected to do in most countries now.

 

[Mojochi]

I totally 100% agree, I cannot imagine Starfleet wouldn't let him in because he has personality quirks. I also really don't think they'd like discriminate because he has a fear of transporters, I can't see them thinking everyone has to feel the same way, what if there's like an alien species who has a spiritual objection to transporters, like how some Native Americans don't like to be photographed?

Plus, you have my point about Vulcans. Now it's true that emotional suppression is normal for them, & wouldn't necessarily be considered a disability to Starfleet, Even though it would be to us, in our reality, but what I think is that since humans have been exposed to alien races that have such unusual emotional behaviors like that, it might have broadened their minds on the issue of emotion & mental state.

Basically, because they've become so accustomed to being around Vulcans, Klingons, & Benzites, (who are a bit on the pompous side imho) etc... The presense of a human with some unusual behavioral issues wouldn't necessarily be as worrisome for them as it might be for us. They're more evolved, just from having had broader experiences, with more varied types of people.

Is Reg really all that problematic when you stand him next to an angry Klingon, a deadpan Vulcan or a snooty Benzite or Zakdorn? I don't think so. So what's the big whoop?

 

[Kor]

Plus, you have my point about Vulcans. Now it's true that emotional suppression is normal for them, & wouldn't necessarily be considered a disability to Starfleet, Even though it would be to us, in our reality, but what I think is that since humans have been exposed to alien races that have such unusual emotional behaviors like that, it might have broadened their minds on the issue of emotion & mental state.

Basically, because they've become so accustomed to being around Vulcans, Klingons, & Benzites, (who are a bit on the pompous side imho) etc... The presense of a human with some unusual behavioral issues wouldn't necessarily be as worrisome for them as it might be for us. They're more evolved, just from having had broader experiences, with more varied types of people.

Is Reg really all that problematic when you stand him next to an angry Klingon, a deadpan Vulcan or a snooty Benzite or Zakdorn? I don't think so. So what's the big whoop?

Not to mention the myriad non-humanoid species who have neurologies/mentalities/emotional states absolutely nothing like anything we could possibly imagine. It would be pretty bogus if Starfleet Command barred certain Federation member-world species from joining Starfleet simply because their brains work differently from a "baseline" specimen of Homo sapiens, whatever the "baseline" is supposed to be.

Kor

 

[Jonesy]

Not at all. I never for any single moment got a feeling that her relationship with Barclay was anything other than professional with perhaps a degree of friendship.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Not at all. I never for any single moment got a feeling that her relationship with Barclay was anything other than professional with perhaps a degree of friendship.

For all other episodes i agree, just not for this episode. I always had that feeling that Deanna was so impressed by Barclay that she may have had an one night stand with him.

 

[Marynator]

For all other episodes i agree, just not for this episode. I always had that feeling that Deanna was so impressed by Barclay that she may have had an one night stand with him.

Oh dear, yeah that's not really how women work lol. Barclay was very charming but he like didn't put some magic spell on her or something where just because she's impressed with his new confidence and charisma would completely overpower her sense and want to sleep with him.

 

[Jedman67]

Not at all. I never for any single moment got a feeling that her relationship with Barclay was anything other than professional with perhaps a degree of friendship.

I never believed for any moment that Barclay would find someone, anyone, willing to sleep with him.

 

[Jayson1]

I think the one issue one could make about Barclay isn't so much that he is in Starfleet but would someone with his quirks be able to rise up and get a posting on the flagship. Which they basically addressed in the first episode when Riker talks about Barclay's former captain maybe "Buttering the Bread" in getting him assigned to the Enterprise. Once their I assume he just proved himself to be a good officer despite the quirks. Some of of which aren't that big deal when it comes to performance other than avoiding transporters. Someone should have found out about that much sooner and find away to help him. For most part though he seemed to get away from his transporter addiction at least when it comes to being a user until years later on "Voyager." You can't blame him for being transformed into a genius or a spider because that stuff was out of his control.

Jason

 

[F. King Daniel]

Not counting weird stuff he did with holographic duplicates of his cremates, was Barclay a virgin?

 

[Jayson1]

Not counting weird stuff he did with holographic duplicates of his cremates, was Barclay a virgin?

Maybe but he does eventually get a girlfriend on "Voyager" even if it was just a Dabo girl trying to trick him for his holo secrets. I am guessing they had sex.

Jason

 

[SPCTRE]

Plot twist: Barclay actually slept with Riker after his date with Troi.

 

[Jayson1]

Why stop with Riker. I am thinking Sex Orgy in the Arbouritem. Everyone is there. Picard,Riker,Crusher,Worf,O'Brien,O'Brien's spider,Data,Spot,Ogawa,Keiko, Doctor Martin,Dr Selar,Ensgin Allenby,Ensign Gates,Guinan,Livingston the fish, and of course Troi and Geordi shows up later after his fake bit about asking him to come help him out in engineering.

Jason

 

[Lance]

I'll second the general thought that Roddenberry would've approved of the notion that liberated 24th century types would likely swing like monkeys. His TMP novel, the Phase II series bible, and parts of TNG season 1 suggest his views that future humanity is over the hiccups of sexual issues. My own reading of Riker/Troi was that they had something of an open relationship themselves until the end of the movies -- they occasionally get back together (eg. 'Menage a Troi') but are also open enough with each other to let the other pursue whatever they like (Riker's stance in 'The Price' being a direct example of him addressing this liberal view on screen). They get flirty with each other a lot but also seem to take a certain satisfaction in seeing the other exploring their sexual needs. Troi smirks at Riker's sexcapades nearly as often as he smirks at them himself But both are probably, ultimately, comfortable in their own attraction to each other not to care. The only times Riker shows actual jealousy is when Troi starts going on dates with Worf... and when she almost bones his clone/replica/duplicate/twin Thomas

Betazoid society, like the Deltans from Phase II before it, is allegedly supposed to be an *extremely* sexually liberated people anyway, hence the Phase, and Mrs Troi's conduct every time she visits.

Which is all a very long-winded way of saying yes, they probably did.

 

[Marynator]

I find it both curious and also a little disturbing how a male's view of "sexual liberty" for a woman is that she'll have sex with any man who wants her to at any time he wants. A woman's sexual liberty has absolutely nothing at all to do with men. I feel the idea that the Enterprise keeps a woman on board so men can "relax" by going to her for sexual favors is a bit repugnant and barbaric, I so deeply apologize for my harsh language and tone, I just strongly feel a need to express my feelings on this. Please know I'm not upset at anyone in particular, it's just a bit of a personal and touchy subject right?

I still imagine "sexual liberty" as being very different from peoples' views of like "sex any time all the time", and in my mind it's more a liberation from societal pressures both ways, both for not having sex and for having sex. I feel people would have intimate relations with people they wanted to for their own reasons, and no one would judge you for either having sex or abstaining from sex, but I believe if there's any sort of expectation people are just going to have sex at any time with anyone, that's totally not sexual liberty, if I'm making sense?

Like I saw someone asking if Reg is a virgin, and I'd say in the 24th century no one would care, and I don't feel anyone would even ask or even think about him like that. And he wouldn't be concerned at all if he were. I don't believe you'd see a huge obsession with sex anymore than you'd see a false paragon of chastity (today it's not about really a virtue but a control for women).

lol oh dear I think I've got a new third choice: how about whether or not Reg and Deanna had sex or not, it's entirely their business just between the two of them?

 

[Lance]

I don't fundamentally disagree @Marynator, and apologize for the broadness of my language on the issue (as usual, words are inelegant tools to expressing thoughts )