I'm no canon-whore, but those books directly contradict what DS9 and subsequent MU novels did. They can hardly be counted.
On tv, Sisko implies that the Romulans are still around, and might be potential allies for the Terran rebellion.
Do you like the Mirror Universe Episodes?
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On tv, Sisko implies that the Romulans are still around, and might be potential allies for the Terran rebellion.
Well the fact that none of the novels "count" means they can't really contradict anything.
I'm sure there are plenty of novels that "contradict" future series developments but that can't be helped.
I'm sure there are plenty of novels that "contradict" future series developments but that can't be helped.
No. Way too asinine. I hate asinine shows, and I like my Trek to have meaning. I don't mind comedy if it's done in a semi-serious way and has a meaning behind it, like In The Cards (which is one of DS9's top 10 episodes IMO).
But if it's extremely asinine and has no point or meaning - like the MU episodes - then it's a waste of episode slots that could have and should have been much better spent on telling meaningful stories instead.
But if it's extremely asinine and has no point or meaning - like the MU episodes - then it's a waste of episode slots that could have and should have been much better spent on telling meaningful stories instead.
I like the first few that they did,the others,they just did them before they were stuck with idea and if was easy for them to go back to the mirror universe.
I think people enjoy it because it was fun
It was one of those episodes where all the actors let loose and chewed a shitload of scenery and the story was pretty interesting as well
Excellent by Enterprise standards maybe. By the standards of DS9, it was marginally better than "Resurrection" and "The Emperor's New Cloak". Not as good as any of the other MU episodes.
Ezri II
Captain
The mirror is ok. It did give the characters greater development with seeing what they would be like in the mirror universe. The problem I had with the mirror, our primary characters were killing each other off. The mirror just does not work well the more years you add to it.
So I think of the mirror like candy and cake. It is nice to have but it is not a great diet.
So I think of the mirror like candy and cake. It is nice to have but it is not a great diet.
Don't like them too much, except Crossover. My problems with the DS9 MU are:
1. So most of the good guys in the normal universe are...good guys in the MU?
What a wasted opportunity. It could have been much more "mirrored" than it was. Evil prophets, liberator changelings, Sisko as an evil Emissary dictator sending his Bajoran troops to invade a peaceful Cardassia, whatever.
That's why I liked Enterprise's MU much more. It was great seeing all of them as evil scheming assholes. Sisko as a poor man's Han Solo? Not so much.
On the other hand, it's clear why they did it. DS9's setting was already pretty grim, so they thought making the MU more comedic and light would work.
2. As mentioned the "let's make it so we can reuse all the sets we have" approach. DS9 is the center of this whole conflict? how convenient! They also build a Defiant replica, they have the Maquis raiders, and UM Terok Nor looks exactly like the "real" Terok Nor (IAMD had the same problem) ? Interestingly, the DS9 MU episodes have some very good FX. I'd rather have them use the money on an alternate Terok Nor or at least SOME new costumes, vessels and sets.
I would have liked to see a little less from the DS9 corridors.
That's where DS9 was often underwhelming. In every Celestial Temple ep after the pilot, the prophets "are" the dudes on the DS9 ops, when Miles and Bashir get in Sloane's mind, it's the DS9 corridors, when Joran haunts Dax, she gets visions of the Defiant corridors etc.
1. So most of the good guys in the normal universe are...good guys in the MU?
What a wasted opportunity. It could have been much more "mirrored" than it was. Evil prophets, liberator changelings, Sisko as an evil Emissary dictator sending his Bajoran troops to invade a peaceful Cardassia, whatever.
That's why I liked Enterprise's MU much more. It was great seeing all of them as evil scheming assholes. Sisko as a poor man's Han Solo? Not so much.
On the other hand, it's clear why they did it. DS9's setting was already pretty grim, so they thought making the MU more comedic and light would work.
2. As mentioned the "let's make it so we can reuse all the sets we have" approach. DS9 is the center of this whole conflict? how convenient! They also build a Defiant replica, they have the Maquis raiders, and UM Terok Nor looks exactly like the "real" Terok Nor (IAMD had the same problem) ? Interestingly, the DS9 MU episodes have some very good FX. I'd rather have them use the money on an alternate Terok Nor or at least SOME new costumes, vessels and sets.
I would have liked to see a little less from the DS9 corridors.
That's where DS9 was often underwhelming. In every Celestial Temple ep after the pilot, the prophets "are" the dudes on the DS9 ops, when Miles and Bashir get in Sloane's mind, it's the DS9 corridors, when Joran haunts Dax, she gets visions of the Defiant corridors etc.
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RobertScorpio
Pariah
I agree..but they had a budget they had to deal with. And, when considering that, I think they did as good as they could.
Rob
I read somewhere that the original plan for Extreme Measures was that O'Brien and Bashir would travel to a planet where Section 31's HQ was based, but they were told that the cost for this would prevent them from making SFX for the space battle in the final episode. In the end they were forced to make it a weird sci-fi episode inside Sloane's head.
It is a pity because the damp squib of the final arc could have been so much more if their budget was slightly better.
Well the orb experiences were often lightyears ahead of the Celestial Temple visits. Creative and often disturbing. It felt that with the Prophet scenes they weren't really trying anymore, almost as though they felt we would EXPECT to find the "Kira" Prophet telling the others that "They are so linear yadda yadda". This was especially bad in "Accession" imo.
As for the alternate version of Extreme Measures: I like the filmed idea of capturing Sloane better. It was already a stretch that a major operative like Sloane would come to Bashir and be captured without backup or a backup plan (but it was still barely conceivable).
But Bashir and O'Brien getting to the heart of this super-secret organization that survived for so long? That would have been shit.
EDIT: sry for getting off-topic
As for the alternate version of Extreme Measures: I like the filmed idea of capturing Sloane better. It was already a stretch that a major operative like Sloane would come to Bashir and be captured without backup or a backup plan (but it was still barely conceivable).
But Bashir and O'Brien getting to the heart of this super-secret organization that survived for so long? That would have been shit.
EDIT: sry for getting off-topic
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Love em.
I agree that a continuing Empire would have been great too - maybe there should have been two MU eps a season, one to each version. I'd have gladly traded all the Klingon Honor eps, for example.
I agree that a continuing Empire would have been great too - maybe there should have been two MU eps a season, one to each version. I'd have gladly traded all the Klingon Honor eps, for example.
I do agree that the difference in how the characters were portrayed in ENT was one reason IAMD worked for me - of all the later MU eps, it's the closest to "Mirror, Mirror" IMO. I think the DS9 eps (after Crossover) failed in either not having enough contrast in the counterparts, or in taking it too far.
And for whatever it might be worth, regarding the Mirror Romulans, I always liked DC's Mirror Universe Saga. The mirror Earth lost the Romulan War and was conquered by the Romulans, with the seeds of the Empire being sown in the resistance movement.
And for whatever it might be worth, regarding the Mirror Romulans, I always liked DC's Mirror Universe Saga. The mirror Earth lost the Romulan War and was conquered by the Romulans, with the seeds of the Empire being sown in the resistance movement.
Like others have said, I liked them up to around Shattered Mirror (I remember loving the SFX in that one when I first saw it), but after that they became silly and uninteresting. And when ever Alexander Siddig tried to "act tough" I was never convinced at all.
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