You jumping through a lot of hoops here.
That wasn't the intent of the writers, so no.
Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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That wasn't the intent of the writers, so no.
The trouble is that new writers tend to ignore stuff written by other writers long ago and we're sitting here trying to tie up the loose ends of these people and the producers just so we can enjoy the show and sleep at night! 
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It is a different universe.
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How? For example Data says therer is no record of any Federation vessel ever encountering anything that even vaguely resembles a hole in space, yet Kirk uses the exact phrase "hole in space" to describe the creature from "The Immunity Syndrome", johnnybear! I mean, either Kirk forgot to turn his five year mission reports in or Data kinda sucks at looking through Federation archives. But he's Data, so it's probably Kirk's fault.
Can't say I've ever been a Data fan to be honest, Jinn, and like you say we know the Enterprise entered a black hole before which contained a giant amoeba! So it must be the computer's faulty information that Data was reading to be honest!
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Can't say I've ever been a Spock fan to be honest, johnnybear, and we know the Federation encountered cloaking tech! So it must be the computer's faulty information that Spockwas reading to be honest!
(Disclaimer: I like Spock)
Now I can't tell if you're being serious or mocking us.
No probs, Jinn! I am a Spock fan just so you know and TOS has always been my favourite Trek! 
No faulty info for Spock I'm afraid on cloaking tech! They hadn't invented it yet at that time and new writers seem to ignore these crucial facts!
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No faulty info for Spock I'm afraid on cloaking tech! They hadn't invented it yet at that time and new writers seem to ignore these crucial facts!JB
We're all Trek fans here, whatever version we prefer, so why should I mock you, Tusk?
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My point is why ruffle any feathers at all. If they want the freedom to create, call it a reboot and do what you want. If you want to adhere to the prime timeline, there are rules and when you break the rules you create a reboot whether you want to call it that or not.
I disagree that Enterprise broke the rules. I have never seen anything that outright broke them. Some of their story lines bent them before bending them back, but nothing I know of out right broke the rules. The Okudas were involved and they are sticklers for continuity. A shame TOS didn't have that in the first season. But I think Enterprise even pulled from that a bit and helped smooth out some of TOS growing pains.
They're not ignoring just finding loop holes.No probs, Jinn! I am a Spock fan just so you know and TOS has always been my favourite Trek!
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Err..no they're not! (in my best Jeff Goldblum voice) Cloaking devices were first mentioned in Balance of Terror and were the creation of the Romulan Star Empire and if a writer decides to give that technology to the Klingons ten years earlier then either he hasn't done his research properly or really doesn't care!
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I quite like it too, although I'm currently at the beginning of my 3rd season rewatch and my good will is fading.No probs, Jinn! I am a Spock fan just so you know and TOS has always been my favourite Trek!
Sorry, but is it just me or is that a bit of a double-standard. Both the TNG and the DSC producers intended for their product to be set in the prime timeline, TNG had the analytically-minded character say something that was directly contradicted by TOS and DSC showed something that directly contradict something the analytically-minded character on TOS said. Why is either one less prime timeline than the other?
Fair point. I would've created a Third Timeline that had a lot of similarities to the Prime Timeline but the show isn't what I would've done. It's what they've decided to do and, of course, we're talking about it -- for and against -- based on that. I'm more forgiving, because I enjoy what I'm seeing, and others aren't.
Ummmm.... are you still responding to me? I don't like ENT and mentally block it out of my mind.
They never said Romulans created the tech on screen.
It's just the first time they encountered the Romulan type of cloaking device.
1. DSC
2. ENT
3. VOY/DS9/ST09/STID
4. TNG/STB/The Cage
5. TOS movies
6. TNG movies
7. TOS
8. TAS
YPB?
The writers did their research. Then the delivered a story that worked. There are numerous ways that statement still works in continuity, and people can either accept that or not, of course. But the writers of the show know their continuity, and this is still an ongoing story.
If it is supposed to be "Prime", shouldn't we want the story/universe to be consistent with what came before? What is the point of it being "Prime" if there's no template that is supposed to be followed? If anything can be changed on a whim, then there really is no consistent universe.
What stops Pike from having eight fingers on each hand in the second season episodes? What we've seen/what has come before apparently doesn't count. It is one thing to try and subvert expectations to some degree, quite another to try and cram a square peg in a round hole.
I'm far from a "canonista", but at the same time I do expect some consistency. YMMV.
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