Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

[DaveyNY]

The stories, the lore match Prime Timeline. The visuals are not the important part.

In Your Opinion.

But..., They Are Important, to a whole bunch of other folks.
So let's try in the future, to be just a tad bit less blatantly dismissive of other folks ideas and feelings.

There's a lot of that kind of thing going on around here, on both sides of the issues.
How about we take a moment to think about that...


Oh Wait!

Never mind...

I forgot where I was for a moment.



Addendum:
Highlighted the part I was referring to. (just to be clear with my sarcasm)

 

[Tuskin38]

In Your Opinion.

It is fact that it's prime timeline, but it is an opinion that visuals matter.

 

[DigificWriter]

Given the amount of times that visual aesthetics have been changed in the Prime Timeline Trek continuity, I would argue that it is a fact that visuals don't matter.

 

[Tuskin38]

Given the amount of times that visual aesthetics have been changed in the Prime Timeline Trek continuity, I would argue that it is a fact that visuals don't matter.

Except the other changes were still consistent, DSC is not consistent except in a few places, like the away team gear.

 

[DigificWriter]

Except the other changes were still consistent, DSC is not consistent except in a few places, like the away team gear.

What inconsistencies has DDS introduced? The look of the Klingons, overall, is consistent with previous redesigns save for the lack of hair and the Shenzou and Discovery are a logical design progression between the NX-Class ships and the USS Kelvin.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Look, I can sum it up in a single sentence: "If it's diegetic, it's best to keep it consistent."

Within the context of a narrative, sure. TOS isn't part of Discovery's narrative.

Two words: Temporal Cold War.

Pretty much.

Khan had 70 followers. We never saw them all at once and at the same time. It was two different cross sections of his followers.

Indeed, that's a possible EXPLANATION for the inconsistency. It remains a very notable visual change, particularly when it comes to the relative ages of his followers.

The stories, the lore match Prime Timeline. The visuals are not the important part.

This.

But..., They Are Important, to a whole bunch of other folks.

Sure. They're just not important to the producers of the show or to CBS, whose marketing (and to a lesser extent, licensing) department gets to define what "prime universe" means. That's the whole point of this thread: does changing the visuals mean the story is no longer in a different timeline, or is the "prime timeline" just a volume of lore and the sum of all stories in a shared setting? It seems the latter is more likely the case.

It's clear that novels and comics aren't technically part of the prime universe either, even though they are ostensibly SET in that universe, but are considered to be a different canon than the primeline. So even if all the tie-in mterials were visually consistent with TOS in ways Discovery never will be, they still wouldn't be part of the primeline, because STORY WISE they contradict it in a number of important ways.

So when it comes to determining whether the story is or isn't in the prime timeline, visuals don't matter, only story/lore matters.

 

[roneill]

This whole discussion is just bizarre. I've been a fan of a number of other shows/franchises (including Star Trek) for decades and never has anyone tried to claim that the way things look isn't canon or doesn't matter.

I can understand the logic from a certain point of view. But trying to argue that it's always been like this and nothing has changed is just ridiculous.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

This whole discussion is just bizarre. I've been a fan of a number of other shows/franchises (including Star Trek) for decades and never has anyone tried to claim that the way things look isn't canon or doesn't matter.

I can understand the logic from a certain point of view. But trying to argue that it's always been like this and nothing has changed is just ridiculous.

To be sure, it's not something people usually think about. It's like the first time someone explains to you what a "Chekov gun" is and suddenly you start seeing it pop up in all kinds of stories in really obvious ways that you never noticed before. It's something a normal person takes for granted in most cases, or if they don't, they wind up trying to explain it away with some sort of fridge logic.

Best and possibly most famous examples: the Enterprise-D sickbay, the Battle Bridge, Geordi's visor, Worf's head. Things whose appearances changed noticeably between seasons (or even between episodes) and we just sort of gave it a pass because we knew it was a TV show and probably didn't really need an explanation. There's also the different Enterprise models that Lawman apparently can't tell apart:

I mean, if we aren't going to assume the Enterprise-D's saucer section got 5 meters thicker at the rim and its deflector dish changed shape, pylons got squarer and its hull panels noticeably protruded from the underside of the ship by as much as half a meter between scenes, we're otherwise just assuming that both of these images represent the exact same ship and the variations we see do not actually matter, right?

 

[MakeshiftPython]

The stories, the lore match Prime Timeline. The visuals are not the important part.

No. This is important. Bunch of random blinking lights and knobs is a major part of the narrative.

 

[Tuskin38]

Can't forget the jelly candy.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

It's... THE FUTURE!!! (future......futureeee....)

 

[ITDUDE]

And this is exactly my point: the holograms have LOWER quality than screen communications, so they're probably the next step up from "audio-only."

Not according to this clip from Silicon Valley

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[Awesome Possum]

I think the Kelvin should show up as an easter egg. It might still be in service then and it wouldn’t have been destroyed in this timeline.

 

[fireproof78]

I think the Kelvin should show up as an easter egg. It might still be in service then and it wouldn’t have been destroyed in this timeline.

I would be very happy if this happens.

 

[Nyotarules]

I must hang around different circles than you. It's a question I see a lot. Well, not a question so much as a complaint.

They must be fuming about Sybok

 

[fireproof78]

They must be fuming about Sybok

Yup.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I don’t like it that fictional characters don’t give us 100% of the details on their history and personal experience. It’s almost like writers are making it up as they go along.

 

[Vger23]

I still don't understand why people cant accept that aesthetics differences to tech are due to having different contractors working on Starfleet ships during this era ...and the fact that we've seen Starfleet use different uniforms frequently is another.

Oh...wait...it's because people like to have problems with stuff. Yes. Definitely more fun than finding plausible rationales for inconsistencies within a franchise that one is supposedly a fan of.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I still don't understand why people cant accept that aesthetics differences to tech are due to having different contractors working on Starfleet ships during this era ...and the fact that we've seen Starfleet use different uniforms frequently is another.

Oh...wait...it's because people like to have problems with stuff. Yes. Definitely more fun than finding plausible rationales for inconsistencies within a franchise that one is supposedly a fan of.

Seeing the bridge of the Enterprise next season is going to be a shitstorm if it’s slightly different.

 

[Lord Garth]

Seeing the bridge of the Enterprise next season is going to be a shitstorm if it’s slightly different.

It'll be a shitstorm either way.

Ironically, I think the only major differences will be more detailed furnishings, richer/deeper grays & silvers, and the flashing/blinking lights will be replaced with actual read-outs with graphics similar to the Discovery. The view-screen will also probably be similar to Discovery's.