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Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

Is it?

  • Yes, that's the official word and it still fits

    Votes: 194 44.7%
  • Yes, but it's borderline at this point

    Votes: 44 10.1%
  • No, there's just too many inconsistencies

    Votes: 147 33.9%
  • I don't care about continuity, just the show's quality

    Votes: 49 11.3%

  • Total voters
    434
It's set in the Prime Timeline imo. But the biggest issue for me at the moment is how to bring the Legend of Kahless forging the first Bathleth from a lock of his hair in line with the new hairless appearance of the Klingons.
Unless Klingons can grow hair and this particular sect removed it for religious reasons. Hair is not out of line with those ridges being sensory organs, as they may be more sensitive and require protection that hair would allow.
 
There are ways to preserve the current makeup look and show others while pleasing a bulk of the fandom. If you're a good writer you can do both. Past Trek writers could multitask. They can, too. ;)

As for the bald look, I just assume that these Klingons shave their head or it's a style that's in vogue in this period. Just show some from time to time that have hair and don't retcon the entire species to be bald with sensory pits on their ridges that need to be exposed in order to work.
 
They're creating new "facts" just like every show before it. Roll with it.

My problem is not new "facts," but "facts" that contradict already established "facts," esp. since we were told that this wouldn't happen and the show would make sense in context of the world it ostensibly fit into. Had it been a clean reboot, like just about every TMNT iteration, I wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
My problem is not new "facts," but "facts" that contradict already established "facts," esp. since we were told that this wouldn't happen and the show would make sense in context of the world it ostensibly fit into. Had it been a clean reboot, like just about every TMNT iteration, I wouldn't be having this conversation.
All I can say, is I'm not having any problems fitting the show in the "context of the world". But I'm a big picture guy who tries not to get lost in the minutia. Come on, the "facts" are always being contradicted and well, replaced by new facts. That's the nature of long running fiction. I think they've kept their "promise". If you're looking for reasons behind the make up change, different ship designs or the new uniforms, well I don't think they were promising that.
 
My problem is not new "facts," but "facts" that contradict already established "facts," esp. since we were told that this wouldn't happen and the show would make sense in context of the world it ostensibly fit into. Had it been a clean reboot, like just about every TMNT iteration, I wouldn't be having this conversation.
There is that. Creating new facts might still work. Example Michael being Spock's sister. Spock and everyone we have previously seen just didn't mention her - probably because she is so bloody boring! However when it comes to say the appearance of the Klingons (yes them again) you start getting into 'Please explain' territory. Their evolution or tribal differences to come are hard to swallow.

For me personally its something like the Spore Drive nonsense that doesn't ring true to its setting. Even the Omega particle had history, yet this amazing Spore Drive technology has existed in Trek and no one has ever mentioned it. Shoving in a 'fact' an element in the timeline that is clearly something more worthy of reboot storytelling is eye-rolling.
 
It is. Discovery is supposed to BE the history.
It's set before some of the other shows it's history in that respect. Just like ENT and TOS are "history" to VOY characters, yet there is no mention of the Omega particle/directive in either. The events of history in real life and fiction are relative to the person. No one has total recall of every moment in history.
 
All I can say, is I'm not having any problems fitting the show in the "context of the world". But I'm a big picture guy who tries not to get lost in the minutia. Come on, the "facts" are always being contradicted and well, replaced by new facts. That's the nature of long running fiction. I think they've kept their "promise". If you're looking for reasons behind the make up change, different ship designs or the new uniforms, well I don't think they were promising that.

I think there's a difference between little discrepancies that happen and can be glossed over and creating discontinuity on purpose. The latter undermines the premise and the intent of the show itself.
 
It's set before some of the other shows it's history in that respect. Just like ENT and TOS are "history" to VOY characters, yet there is no mention of the Omega particle/directive in either. The events of history in real life and fiction are relative to the person. No one has total recall of every moment in history.

Like Dr. Bashir and the Augment virus. I mean, yeah, he's very intelligent and has years of Starfleet medical training under his belt but that doesn't mean he necessarily remembers what a TOS-era Klingon looks like nor the cause of that appearance. Starfleet heroes are supposed to be role models and explorers, not walking encyclopedias with perfect memories.
 
Spock and everyone we have previously seen just didn't mention her
Spock famously didn't like talking about his personal life. He didn't let on that Sarek was his father when he first came aboard the Enterprise until Kirk put him in a corner by suggesting he visit his parents. Likewise he didn't confess that Sybok was his half-brother until after he'd comandeered the Enterprise and thrown Kirk, Spock and McCoy in the brig. It's not much of a stretch to imagine he had an adopted human sister he didn't mention.
 
[Zod]HERESY[/Zod] You take that back. Right this instant. :scream:


:lol:
Here, have this. I save it for special occasions:
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Spock famously didn't like talking about his personal life. He didn't let on that Sarek was his father when he first came aboard the Enterprise until Kirk put him in a corner by suggesting he visit his parents. Likewise he didn't confess that Sybok was his half-brother until after he'd comandeered the Enterprise and thrown Kirk, Spock and McCoy in the brig. It's not much of a stretch to imagine he had an adopted human sister he didn't mention.

Let's see-Kirk didn't know he was getting married either, or even discussed pon farr. His one regret when under the influence of the spores was that he had never told his mom he loved her. On and on :)
 
Here, have this. I save it for special occasions:
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Let's see-Kirk didn't know he was getting married either, or even discussed pon farr. His one regret when under the influence of the spores was that he had never told his mom he loved her. On and on :)
Hmm, not the Zod I was expecting.
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