Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

[Tosk]

I want to understand TOS Visual Realists. So its kind of like the Founding Fathers Constitutional interpretation, right? If it appeared on camera, it's canon? Visual Canon is a thing.

ok

I do love a nice hardwood floor. We need more wood on star trek ships. CLEARLY Discovery should be showing some wood, since it is visual canon (Errand of Mercy before the opening credits, though easier to see on the unremastered version, which we all know, is the King James Bible of TOS, and the only one with the loving blessing of Gene's Vision, except when he didn't think so anymore, amen)

With this in mind, how DARE they violate Gene's vision by not showing the Discovery is built of wood!

I'm not super au fait on strawmen, but I think this might be one.

 

[Discofan]

I am not sure it is in the original timeline but I like what they've done with it and any change is a change for the better, at least as far as I can see.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I want to understand TOS Visual Realists. So its kind of like the Founding Fathers Constitutional interpretation, right? If it appeared on camera, it's canon? Visual Canon is a thing.

ok

I do love a nice hardwood floor. We need more wood on star trek ships. CLEARLY Discovery should be showing some wood, since it is visual canon (Errand of Mercy before the opening credits, though easier to see on the unremastered version, which we all know, is the King James Bible of TOS, and the only one with the loving blessing of Gene's Vision, except when he didn't think so anymore, amen)

With this in mind, how DARE they violate Gene's vision by not showing the Discovery is built of wood!

Nyota is showing a hell of a lot of leg there. More than normal, even with that uniform.

 

[Jesse1066]

I want to understand TOS Visual Realists. So its kind of like the Founding Fathers Constitutional interpretation, right? If it appeared on camera, it's canon? Visual Canon is a thing.

ok

I do love a nice hardwood floor. We need more wood on star trek ships. CLEARLY Discovery should be showing some wood, since it is visual canon (Errand of Mercy before the opening credits, though easier to see on the unremastered version, which we all know, is the King James Bible of TOS, and the only one with the loving blessing of Gene's Vision, except when he didn't think so anymore, amen)

With this in mind, how DARE they violate Gene's vision by not showing the Discovery is built of wood!

Are mistakes considered canon? What we're seeing here is the edge of the set, which was obviously not intended to be seen. You'd go mad trying to give every blooper an in-universe explanation.

Besides, they don't have to show us that the Discovery set is made of wood for us to know that it is.

 

[cultcross]

Prior to DSC, nobody would ever even have suggested otherwise. The degree of doublethink about this is really amazing to me.

You've clearly forgotten the exact same arguments that took place when TMP, TNG and ENT all changed Star Trek's visuals. Remember the 'Akiraprise'? There are still arguments going on about ENT's visuals and continuity.

 

[Ovation]

CBS killed the bloodline and sold out for money.

You do understand that Star Trek is a fully capitalist enterprise and its primary purpose, from day one, was...to make GOBS of MONEY.

(And remains so to this day).

 

[fireproof78]

You do understand that Star Trek is a fully capitalist enterprise and its primary purpose, from day one, was...to make GOBS of MONEY.

(And remains so to this day).

This.

 

[Mudd]

Look, this is "turn off your brain television." Does it even make sense to argue about whether it's part of some larger established continuity when the show itself barely makes sense?

 

[Dijeirusan]

I'd really hate it if the the Co-Prime Enterprise looked like this inside. Why on Earth would any fan want a show with a $9M episodic budget to intentionally mar their own production values?

 

[Dijeirusan]

Look, this is "turn off your brain television." Does it even make sense to argue about whether it's part of some larger established continuity when the show itself barely makes sense?

What didn't make sense in Discovery? The top complaint for the finale is it wrapped most things up too tidily.

 

[Jayson1]

Look, this is "turn off your brain television." Does it even make sense to argue about whether it's part of some larger established continuity when the show itself barely makes sense?

But what else can we talk about? Nitpicking and complaining about Star Trek is half of the fun of being a Trek fan. God help us if they ever make the perfect series and we are forced to just sit their and take in the perfection and not know what else to say after making a few glowing and positive comments about it.

Jason

 

[cbl1]

The finale they obviously wanted to be a tight wrapped bow where it could have been a series finale had there been no renewal. However, since the renewal came so early on .... your right they didn't have to make it so tidey.

 

[Jayson1]

I don't know why the final had to be 45 minutes. You could have done a 1 hour and 30 minute movie and make things feel less rushed. This is stuff when I start thinking about their budget and wonder if they are going to go cheap on the show in season 2. Couldn't CBS give them some extra money for the series final to make sure your flagship show ends on a good note. I guess they already got everyones money so they felt it wasn't needed. They know we will be back for season 2 no matter what.


Jason

 

[Moe]

Whether I get hate for this or not, I don't care. I can to an extent consider it part of the prime timeline...I may have voted differently as I wasn't focusing on the actual question present by the OP. I believe the events in Discovery happened, but how they were portrayed within discovery can't be how they actually happened as there are too many continuity errors. I'm considering doing a whole review thread on the entirety of the series which I go though and point out each error. IF there was a good story I could believe it's part of the Prime timeline but I doubt even good actor could save Discovery's plot.

 

[lawman]

You've clearly forgotten the exact same arguments that took place when TMP, TNG and ENT all changed Star Trek's visuals. Remember the 'Akiraprise'? There are still arguments going on about ENT's visuals and continuity.

Arguments, yes, but definitely not "the exact same." There is a genuine difference between observing that depictions of objects and time periods not previously seen appear to be somewhat incongruous with what's familiar, and pointing out that objects we've actually seen are substantially changed for no (in-story) reason.

These things are not of a kind. Trek has never done the latter before DSC, and it's that that some people are hand-waving away with the quixotic notion that visuals are irrelevant to continuity.

 

[Ceridwen]

If Enterprise were canceled at the end of season three, and "Affliction"/"Divergence" were never produced, would the lack of explanation about the Klingon appearance in that show render the entire series a "different timeline"? Would you be able to assume that something happened in between, or would you throw up your hands and abandon the idea of a "single" Trek universe?

The appearance of the Enterprise at the end of "Would You Take My Hand?" presents fans with a choice. Some are going to interpret it artistically (this is a take on what the Enterprise always looked like). Some are going to interpret it literally (this is what the Enterprise actually looks like). Among those who interpret it literally, though, there is a second set of interpretations that have to take place: either, this is what the Enterprise looks like in 2256 and it will look different in 2266; or, this is what the Enterprise looks like in 2256 and therefore nothing in 2266 makes sense anymore.

Why assume the latter when it's so easy to assume the former? "Somewhere in the intervening decade, the Enterprise will undergo a refit," is such a simple leap to make, especially since we already know Starfleet refits everything on a semi-regular basis. The only remaining discontinuity is "The Cage," and that episode was already rendered out of continuity by "The Menagerie's" re-working of the footage to tell a slightly different story.

 

[cultcross]

Arguments, yes, but definitely not "the exact same." There is a genuine difference between observing that depictions of objects and time periods not previously seen appear to be somewhat incongruous with what's familiar, and pointing out that objects we've actually seen are substantially changed for no (in-story) reason.

These things are not of a kind. Trek has never done the latter before DSC, and it's that that some people are hand-waving away with the quixotic notion that visuals are irrelevant to continuity.

ENT had the same arguments the second a ridged Klingon appeared in Broken Bow. Canon violation! we screamed in unison. We've already seen pre TNG Klingons, they don't look like that!

 

[Dijeirusan]

Well DSC has proven you don't really need to keep the canonistas happy to have a hit show. Actually not really letting them dictate your show's visuals is probably why this show has more mainstream appeal.

 

[XCV330]

I'd really hate it if the the Co-Prime Enterprise looked like this inside. Why on Earth would any fan want a show with a $9M episodic budget to intentionally mar their own production values?

But they do.

Are mistakes considered canon? What we're seeing here is the edge of the set, which was obviously not intended to be seen. You'd go mad trying to give every blooper an in-universe explanation.

Wait, how do we know that's a mistake? People are discussing visual canon. Who is the authoritative body that determines what visuals are, to quote Benny, reeeaaaaaallll.?

Nyota is showing a hell of a lot of leg there. More than normal, even with that uniform.

Perhaps she was trying to distract everyone from the visual canon of the lumber which Enterprise NCC-1701 is lorefully made of.

 

[Myko]

These things are not of a kind. Trek has never done the latter before DSC

DS9 did it in Blood Oath.