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Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?
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I consider it prime and my head-canon doesn't have a hard time reconciling DIS to TOS. Discovery is the Federation triumphant (and a bit pompous), with the most advanced technology, having place a thick presence everywhere. The Klingons push back at the border of the Beta quadrant. In TOS, the federation is less thickly settled, with greater autonomy for its captains coming from less connectivity/communications assets. It takes another 80 years for them to return to their triumphant (and pompous) state, only to find it's new threats coming from the gamma and delta quadrants. In each case, the Federation has to decide in the face of massive losses, what tactics are acceptable and who they are as a people.
It would also be easy to see this as having the Romulans working behind the scenes: They give the Klingons a primitive (relative to their internal tech) cloak, through a house interpretation of their religious teachings that make them turn against the federation. They then watch the Klingons and Federation fight a brutal war, learning both techniques for use of the device and countermeasures to expect. This allows them to completely surprise the Federation 10 years later with a undetectable cloak, putting them at such an advantage that the Federation sends Kirk to risk a war to steal one.
In prime universe, Post ST6, Kronos was evacuated because of environmental damage. Whether the Klingons made a new Kronos or fixed the environmental damage is unknown. While the Khitomer accords are mentioned, the actual results to the planet are never mentioned again, even in visits to the homeworld.
Speaking of ST6, it would be interesting if Discovery ends up doing awful things to Praxis (a key military installation) that ends up causing the crisis and the peace 35 years later. It would make more sense to see Admirals debating whether to make peace or decimate the empire as the plan of their youth finally gives the federation a decisive edge.
It would also be easy to see this as having the Romulans working behind the scenes: They give the Klingons a primitive (relative to their internal tech) cloak, through a house interpretation of their religious teachings that make them turn against the federation. They then watch the Klingons and Federation fight a brutal war, learning both techniques for use of the device and countermeasures to expect. This allows them to completely surprise the Federation 10 years later with a undetectable cloak, putting them at such an advantage that the Federation sends Kirk to risk a war to steal one.
In prime universe, Post ST6, Kronos was evacuated because of environmental damage. Whether the Klingons made a new Kronos or fixed the environmental damage is unknown. While the Khitomer accords are mentioned, the actual results to the planet are never mentioned again, even in visits to the homeworld.
Speaking of ST6, it would be interesting if Discovery ends up doing awful things to Praxis (a key military installation) that ends up causing the crisis and the peace 35 years later. It would make more sense to see Admirals debating whether to make peace or decimate the empire as the plan of their youth finally gives the federation a decisive edge.
Nope it doesn't really feel like a prime universe show but it does feel like a "Star Trek" show so it's a loose reboot in my mind. Vague enough connections like Prime Spock going to the Kelvin Universe were you can feel like they are slightly connected but not so connected that you feel like they belong in the same shared universe. I see it as another alternate timeline next to the Prime universe were some things are the same, but the tech of that universe went down a different path. Not all that different from the TNG bridge looking kind of different in "Parrells" when Worf finally ends up in the universe were PIcard is dead and he is the first officer.
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I think one easy way to troll fans would be for them to bring up the Election Results of 2020. Either way, you'd get a reaction. If they say Donald Trump wins, there'd be outrage. If they say Bernie Sanders wins, they'll say DS9's "Past Tense" would be the fourth year of his Presidency and people would say, "How can there be Sanctuary Districts under Bernie Sanders?!"
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- No, there's just too many inconsistencies
- I don't care about continuity, just the show's quality
Back in the early 90s, new TNG broadcasts really got me through the dreary, grey winters and I was very happy this winter to look forward to the same from DISCO.
Season 1 is done (thank heavens). We've* seen all the departures STD has taken from established continuity, Klingons, phasers, uniforms, ship designs, references to "Enterprise", etc. But despite all the horribleness there is one silver lining. That is the depiction of the Enterprise NCC-1701 in the last episode.
"What?" you say, "I thought you hated it." I do. But the one good thing about this is that it puts to bed the rumor started by the show runners that STD takes place in the so-called "Prime Timeline." We can now categorically say that it doesn't. The Discovery-verse is clearly its own thing. As much logic twisting as was required to fit Enterprise into the ("prime") timeline, STD required exponentially more. But now we don't have to worry about that. An additional bonus of this is that it drags Enterprise out of the ("prime") timeline and into the Discovery-verse too. So, as bad as this journey has been, at least it ended on a positive note.
* By "we" I mean "you guys", becasue I stopped watching months ago.
"What?" you say, "I thought you hated it." I do. But the one good thing about this is that it puts to bed the rumor started by the show runners that STD takes place in the so-called "Prime Timeline." We can now categorically say that it doesn't. The Discovery-verse is clearly its own thing. As much logic twisting as was required to fit Enterprise into the ("prime") timeline, STD required exponentially more. But now we don't have to worry about that. An additional bonus of this is that it drags Enterprise out of the ("prime") timeline and into the Discovery-verse too. So, as bad as this journey has been, at least it ended on a positive note.
* By "we" I mean "you guys", becasue I stopped watching months ago.
I don't think a whole new thread was necessary to continue your delusional "not teh primeline" rant.
Why keep on about it then?
Guys, don't feed the troll.
Because it's an open forum for people to express opinions, even those that others disagree with.
I agree for the most part. But how many threads does one have to pollute with this kind of thing, only then to start a whole new thread?
1) The producers and writers stating that it is
2) Blatant references to things that only happen in the Prime Timeline
3) The fact that visual aesthetics are not and have never been Canon
All of the above things "outweigh the evidence that Discovery isn't set in the Prime Timeline" because such evidence is nonexistent.
Seriously dude, just give it a rest. If you hate it, go for it. But stop convincing others to enjoy something that annoys you. That's just childish. I asume you're an adult. Start acting like one.
Good point, but when has creators intent ever been canon? If the definition of canon is "whatever is seen on screen" then by default producers intentions can only ever be considered non-canon and must give way to the material that actually aired.
Like what specifically? And why couldn't these events have also or solely happened in the Disco-verse?
Considering this is a visual medium I have to disagree. Also considering that if the "whatever is seen onscreen is canon" is true. Then by definition, visual aesthetics, being something that are seen, ARE in fact canon.
1) Spock having a positive relationship with his parents, particularly his mother, as a child, to the point that she read him Alice in Wonderland
2) The USS Defiant ending up in the Mirror Universe
Because there's no such thing as the "Disco-verse".
Visual aesthetics aren't Canon because there's never been any one single unified visual aesthetic in the entire history of the Star Trek franchise; things have changed and/or evolved based on the technology available at the time of each franchise installment's creation and/or the whims of the creators of said installments.
Anti Prime Timeline posters: "It doesn't look the same! It can't be Prime! Visuals are just as important as events!"
Pro Prime Timeline posters: "The producers say it's prime! It's a visual reboot! The originals would look dated in a 2017/18 series!"
Anti Prime Timeline posters: "The original designs are icons and timeless! Please look at these examples of things from the 60s that look timeless and yet futuristic!"
Pro Prime Timeline posters: "Look at these things from the 60s that are clearly rooted in the 60s! Plus design trends change!"
Anti Prime Timeline posters: "Wabbit Season!"
Pro Prime Timeline posters: "Duck Season!"
Anti Prime Timeline posters: "Wabbit Season!"
Pro Prime Timeline posters: "Duck Season!"
/thread
Did I miss anything?
Pro Prime Timeline posters: "The producers say it's prime! It's a visual reboot! The originals would look dated in a 2017/18 series!"
Anti Prime Timeline posters: "The original designs are icons and timeless! Please look at these examples of things from the 60s that look timeless and yet futuristic!"
Pro Prime Timeline posters: "Look at these things from the 60s that are clearly rooted in the 60s! Plus design trends change!"
Anti Prime Timeline posters: "Wabbit Season!"
Pro Prime Timeline posters: "Duck Season!"
Anti Prime Timeline posters: "Wabbit Season!"
Pro Prime Timeline posters: "Duck Season!"
/thread
Did I miss anything?
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Because the rights holders/creators say it's Prime. That is literally the only evidence required. Whether it creates inconsistencies or not is irrelevant.
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