Poll Do you consider Discovery to truly be in the Prime Timeline at this point?

[BillJ]

And I really hope they aren't trying the "searching for something to give his life purpose" angle. That was already covered in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

 

[Kemaiku]

I really hope not. Those kinds of explanations are never as well received as the writers think they will be. Sometimes it is better to leave some mystery in things.

I know.

V'ger was 93 miles long, in pain, the biggest physical personification of angst that ever lived. Ex Machina the novel implied every telepathic being in the Milky Way felt it's pain.

 

[DaveyNY]

That's kind of a point. Other than the corridor (which is a repainted DSC one) and Spock's quarters which from the trailer we now know is the room with the window she walks into, I don't remember any significant set construction...

And another thing. Spocks quarters were always interesting in TOS and the movies, they were filled floor to ceiling with his stuff.

In this trailer, it's so much wasted space and none of his personal effects. Even the Kelvinverse had him carry a curious amount with him thinking he was going to die.

On Discovery?! Perish the thought. Honestly, their understanding of TOS seems to only be skin deep. It is odd Spock would have the koon-ut-kal-if-fee bells in his quarters, especially considering he's not went through Pon Farr at this point.

Was it the Bells, I thought it was one of the Gongs???
Like what he hit when they first got to the arena.

 

[BillJ]

V'ger was 93 miles long, in pain, the biggest physical personification of angst that ever lived. Ex Machina the novel implied every telepathic being in the Milky Way felt it's pain.

I read that book, though remember very little of it.

 

[BillJ]

Was it the Bells, I thought it was one of the Gongs???
Like what he hit when they first got to the arena.

It looked like the bells that are being shaken in "Amok Time", but I could be wrong.

 

[Tuskin38]

Honestly, their understanding of TOS seems to only be skin deep.

What? No. It goes deeper.

 

[Kemaiku]

I read that book, though remember very little of it.

It's good. It's like political/religious/military etc commentary and fanwank managed to have a pretty healthy child. It's not bad for character development either.

 

[fireproof78]

On Discovery?! Perish the thought. Honestly, their understanding of TOS seems to only be skin deep. It is odd Spock would have the koon-ut-kal-if-fee bells in his quarters, especially considering he's not went through Pon Farr at this point.

Is there any thing to imply those bells are only for Pon Farr ceremony?

 

[ITDUDE]

Now that the sporedrive has Serious Consequences, ie in the months they've been gone, extra-dimensional beings are breaking into the galaxy, they are going to shelve the drive very fast once this is over, and the Enterprise's part in all this will start to form the prime-ISH things we know.

About 25%-ish different

 

[Kemaiku]

About 25%-ish different

Which is still 75% pure suculant prime ste...universe.

That went wrong somewhere.

 

[ITDUDE]

Which is still 75% pure suculant prime ste...universe.

That went wrong somewhere.

 

[DaveyNY]

It looked like the bells that are being shaken in "Amok Time", but I could be wrong.

You're right I went back and did a better look, it's the Bells.

 

[Blamo]

To be honest I wish it would become it's own continuity. That way we wouldn't have all these discussions about canon and the writers won't have to worry about contradicting future stories.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Or everyone can just admit it doesn't matter and get on with life.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

Big mistake. As the producers of the show they do not owe the audience anything when it comes to creativity and production values, be like GR with his Klingon explanation when asked about the difference between TOS and TMP.

GR always hedged on that, in one breath saying that they were always supposed to look like that, and in the next saying there were simply different races of Klingons just as there are different races of humans.

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Depicting_Klingons:

Gene Roddenberry tried to explain the differences between The Motion Picture's Klingons and the original ones by saying that the original show had simply never had the budget and makeup technology to envision the species as it should have been seen, so the apparently new Klingons were just Klingons as they were always intended to have been. (Cinefantastique, Vol. 37, No. 2, p. 40) He additionally contemplated, "Just as there are different races of humans, there are different races of Klingons, and the Klingons seen in Star Trek: The Motion Picture are not the same race as the ones we saw on the original series." Since Fred Phillips expected that the fans would wonder about how the Klingons could possibly have head ridges newly added to their faces, he and Roddenberry came up with the explanation of there being a variety of Klingon races, even before the release of The Motion Picture. Despite this, the transformation continued to be regarded as a mystery for decades to come. (Star Trek: Communicator issue 145, pp. 71-72)

After seeing Pike's uniform and his captain's chair on the Enterprise bridge, it's clear to me this is not the Prime Universe as we know it. It really should have been decided for me when they showed the Enterprise in the season finale, but I can't consider this Prime. It's cool and modern for our TV audience of the 21st century and neat to see, but it's just not taken directly from TOS, which is needs to be to be in the Prime Universe. And that's fine.

So the Enterprise had an extensive refit. It certainly wouldn't be the last...and it might not even have been the first! Uniforms change all the time, and there is often significant overlap in multiple styles being worn simultaneously. Plus, there are always different types for different purposes and assignments. Of course, as ever, if one is determined to pick this all apart, it will never hold up to nitpicking scrutiny. But as a gloss, which is really all that should be required, since it's entirely beside the point of the stories, it works fine.

-MMoM

 

[Lord Garth]

To be honest I wish it would become it's own continuity. That way we wouldn't have all these discussions about canon and the writers won't have to worry about contradicting future stories.

I don't disagree with you.

They probably won't do a clean 100% break ala-Battlestar Galactica or they would've done it by now. They had a chance in 1979, 1987, 2009, and 2017. But each time, they had a different justification: "We redesigned the ship!" "It's 100 years later!" "The timeline splits when Kirk is born!" "It's only a visual reboot!"

On another note: both film launches and TV re-launches were 30 years apart. 1979 and 2009 for the movies. 1987 and 2017 for TV. Funny how that works out.

 

[Nyotarules]

I saw a Vulcan lire and the bells from "Amok Time".

Did you see T'Pring's holopic from her childhood (based on that alone Spock should have been suspicious, she never updated the photo)

 

[Mudd]

Did you see T'Pring's holopic from her childhood (based on that alone Spock should have been suspicious, she never updated the photo)

It was an old MySpace account.

 

[BillJ]

Discovery can never occupy the same space as TOS for me. It is just too different in feel than what came before. Though I am hoping that season two is entertaining Trek in its own right.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I have a dream that all Star Trek series will live in a fandom where they will not be judged by the timeline they exist in but by the quality of their content and characters.