Do the Blu-rays use the same master as the DVDs?

[Shalashaska]

I'm slightly confused when it comes to this.

The Blu-rays definitely look very soft in many of the films, the digital enhancements and unnatural smoothness are most noticeable in Star Trek III and VI, but I still would say they're better than the DVDs.

Did they just uprez the DVDs to 1080p and add some digital enhancements? What's the difference between uprezzing a DVD and just watching the DVDs on your upscaling player?

 

[BillJ]

Did they just uprez the DVDs to 1080p and add some digital enhancements? What's the difference between uprezzing a DVD and just watching the DVDs on your upscaling player?

I can't remember where I read it, but I remember reading that the DVD masters were scanned at 1080i and down rezzed for the DVD's. Also that those were the masters used for the Blu-ray's.

 

[Tosk]

They are the same masters as the more recent DVD releases. Except for Star Trek II, which got a new scan. And then another new scan recently.

The old scans look horribly scrubbed and plastic. Major bummer. I usually end up watching my old fat-pack DVD releases more than I do the Blu-rays.

 

[Harvey]

I'm slightly confused when it comes to this.

The Blu-rays definitely look very soft in many of the films, the digital enhancements and unnatural smoothness are most noticeable in Star Trek III and VI, but I still would say they're better than the DVDs.

Did they just uprez the DVDs to 1080p and add some digital enhancements? What's the difference between uprezzing a DVD and just watching the DVDs on your upscaling player?

Most of the Blu-Rays have been sourced from the same masters used to create the DVDs. Those masters are in high definition, but they're more than ten years old and as a result look pretty dated.

 

[ChristopherPike]

I don't now about that because they're theatrical versions now in the case of The Motion Picture and The Undiscovered Country. Neither of which were part of the earlier DVD releases. TUC is a different aspect ratio at 2.35:1, rather than the unmatted 2:1 it was when the additional scenes were still in.

 

[Lance]

I think it depends on the DVDs in question. I seem to recall that at around the same time the Blu Rays came out the entire lot were reissued (for the umpteenth time) on DVD, and those versions certainly used the same masters as the Blu Rays. But the previous two-disc and earlier one-disc DVDs used different masters, made obvious by (as ChristopherPike said in the post just above this one) the fact that they had completely different cuts of TMP, TWOK and TUC.

I can't vouch 100% that TSFS, TVH and TFF weren't simply sourced from the same masters as previous DVD releases, though.

 

[Harvey]

I don't now about that because they're theatrical versions now in the case of The Motion Picture and The Undiscovered Country. Neither of which were part of the earlier DVD releases. TUC is a different aspect ratio at 2.35:1, rather than the unmatted 2:1 it was when the additional scenes were still in.

This is true. The theatrical version of TUC had never been available on home video prior. It is clearly a dated master, though -- perhaps created for broadcast?

 

[BillJ]

This is true. The theatrical version of TUC had never been available on home video prior. It is clearly a dated master, though -- perhaps created for broadcast?

Even if it was a brand new master, it is nearly eight years old at this point. That is if it was created just prior to the 2009 box set release.

 

[groundhog]

I was actually looking at getting the 10-movie set, the Stardate Collection, which looks very cool, but apparently the blu-ray masters are not very good. It's great seeing a new remaster of #2 come out. Any hope they'll re-do every film?

 

[Harvey]

I was actually looking at getting the 10-movie set, the Stardate Collection, which looks very cool, but apparently the blu-ray masters are not very good. It's great seeing a new remaster of #2 come out. Any hope they'll re-do every film?

Hope, yes. But, who knows what will happen? Paramount has treated the franchise pretty poorly on Blu-Ray so far.

 

[BillJ]

I was actually looking at getting the 10-movie set, the Stardate Collection, which looks very cool, but apparently the blu-ray masters are not very good. It's great seeing a new remaster of #2 come out. Any hope they'll re-do every film?

As poor as the Blu-ray's are, they are still miles ahead in picture quality when compared to the DVD's.

 

[Tosk]

...As long as you don't mind waxy faces.

 

[One Lucky Red Shirt]

Lets up beyond makes good $ and the blu ray sales of the new twok and the 50th anniversary blu ray set coming in sept. Makes a good return in profits. If those returns are good im sure paramount will rescan the older films n re-release them. They needs to do tmp with all 3 versions!! And both versions of TUC. 'Nuff said.

 

[Shalashaska]

So TWoK is a new 1080p master, TSfS, TVH and TFF are taken from 1080i masters, and we're not really sure about TMP and TUC?

If TUC got a proper 1080p scan prior to release for the theatrical versions, I would be very surprised. I think that's the worst-looking of the bunch. Couldn't they have just cut off the top and bottom of the 2:1 DVD master and removed the added scenes?

 

[DeepSpaceYorks]

I've been umming and ahhing about getting TMP on blu ray but I'm a little concerned. I know it's the theatrical cut and I also presume it's a new scan as that cut was never released on DVD but it just seems such a shame that we aren't going to get a special blu with all three versions of the film on (I understand that the effects for the directors edition were rendered at SD!). Dammit, we need all three versions in HD quality. Anyone have any comments or thoughts on the TMP blu ray?

 

[BillJ]

Anyone have any comments or thoughts on the TMP blu ray?

The best it has ever looked, and the sound quality is great.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Realllly do wish Trek got a proper presentation on Blu-Ray all around for the 50th. Blah.

 

[Leto_II]

I've been umming and ahhing about getting TMP on blu ray but I'm a little concerned. I know it's the theatrical cut and I also presume it's a new scan as that cut was never released on DVD but it just seems such a shame that we aren't going to get a special blu with all three versions of the film on (I understand that the effects for the directors edition were rendered at SD!). Dammit, we need all three versions in HD quality. Anyone have any comments or thoughts on the TMP blu ray?

Somewhat decent picture quality, but way too much content missing (in terms of character-scenes) compared to the Director's Edition and the ABC Television version to be worth my time, frankly. Even though I own it, I tend to watch the Director's Edition DVD far more often (on a CRT television in another room).