Do Other Science Fiction Franchises Exist Within the Trek Universe?

[Nerys Ghemor]

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I may have just missed where it's mentioned, but we know The Andromeda Strain existed in the Trek universe, from ENT's "Observer Effect."

 

[Knight Templar]

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Does the fact that ST:TMP acknowledges a space shuttle orbiter (of the same design we're familar with) named "Enterprise" establish a fictional Star Trek series that became notable within the Star Trek universe?

We all know that the reason the prototype orbiter was named "Enterprise" instead of "Constitution" as originally planned was due to the influence of the show.

Or would the argument be that he "in universe Enterprise space shuttle orbiter" was named after the famous U.S. carriers instead?

 

[Christopher]

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Or would the argument be that he "in universe Enterprise space shuttle orbiter" was named after the famous U.S. carriers instead?

I think there is a mention in some Trek novel, maybe one of the ENT novels, that the Enterprise OV-101 was named after some earlier ship of that name.

 

[Lynx]

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My uncle is a fan of the old German SF series "Raumpatrouille" (Space Patrol) and we have sometimes discussed how it could be included in the Trek timeline.

In fact, even if "Raumpatrouille" was said to take place in year 3000, the events in that series could be squeezed into the Trek timeline, between 2150 and 2196. The rather primitive technology which can be seen in "Raumpatrouille" could actually be what we had before Kirk and his people took the stage. (In reality "Raumpatrouille" started airing three months before TOS started.)

"Star Wars" apparently takes place in another galaxy so the events in that series could easily fit into the Trek universe as well. Sometimes I do think of of creating a fanfic where Voyager or Picard's Enterprise is transported to the Star Wars galaxy.

More problematic with "Stargate" which obvciously takes place in a parralell universe. Obviously Henry Starling's dabbling with thime must have caused that.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

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I am quite bewildered at how seriously YARN is taking all this.

Now, to fudge things up even more, didn't JJ Abrams once say that all his films and TV shows took place in the same universe? Are Super 8, Cloverfield, Fringe, Mission: Impossible and Lost all part of Trek's past?

There were several Star Trek references on Lost and Fringe...so no.

 

[Christopher]

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^I don't think Trek would count there because it's a pre-existing franchise he's been invited to participate in, rather than his own creation.

 

[Lonemagpie]

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Let's just all be glad that (AFAIK, and if I found out otherwise I would consider it noncanonical anyway) nobody's made Trek part of the fucking Tommy Westphal bollocks...

 

[xortex]

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^I don't think Trek would count there because it's a pre-existing franchise he's been invited to participate in, rather than his own creation.

Your forgetting that the only thing he saved were the names and things. The rest of it's timeline has been wiped clean like the serial numbers on a gun. It's not GR's universe anymore because it's an AU - Abram's universe. It' fits in perfectly with the rest of his stuff now like a square peg in a round hole. It's amazing what a sledgehammer can do.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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Let's just all be glad that (AFAIK, and if I found out otherwise I would consider it noncanonical anyway) nobody's made Trek part of the fucking Tommy Westphal bollocks...

 

[E-DUB]

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No way I'm stepping in this mess. But I will point out that a recent "Enterprise" novel made a fairly obvious reference to 2001. (I won't spell out what happened but a character did something from that movie himself and indicated that he'd gotten the idea from a "movie night" science fiction film.)

 

[F. King Daniel]

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Imagine what this thread would be like if they'd gone with the Benny Russell ending to Deep Space Nine!

The producers also toyed with the idea of ending the series with a shot of Benny Russell sitting outside a television sound stage holding a script for "Deep Space Nine" – essentially making the series, and possibly the whole of Star Trek, either a dream or a prophecy from the Bajoran Prophets – but this idea was ultimately rejected.

 

[Greg Cox]

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No way I'm stepping in this mess. But I will point out that a recent "Enterprise" novel made a fairly obvious reference to 2001. (I won't spell out what happened but a character did something from that movie himself and indicated that he'd gotten the idea from a "movie night" science fiction film.)

Heck, I cited "2001" in my most Trek recent novel, and "Barbarella" and "The Cold Equations" and Lady Gaga . . . .

 

[E-DUB]

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I had not heard of that proposed ending for DS9, but one of my submissions for the "Strange New Worlds" contest dealt with Benny Russell moving to LA and encountering a certain patrolman who moonlighted as a TV scriptwriter.

 

[Sci]

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On Doctor Who, there's a lovely explanation they've developed whenever they want to do something amusing with timetravel or what-not, and don't want to bother with coming up with a real-sounding-but-anyone-who-actually-knows-what-he's-talking-about-would-recognize-it's-bullshit-technobabble explanation, or go into every conceivable implication of their plot vehicle for having fun.

It's called "wibbly-wobbly, time-y whime-y."

In fact, it applies to many things! When Doctor Who doesn't want to go into the complexities of travel between universes? Wibbly-wobbly space-y wace-y! When the Doctor thinks that Human emotions are too complex for him to understand, like when people cry when happy? Wibbly-wobbly, human-y wuman-y!

So it goes with any hypothetical Doctor Who/Star Trek crossovers and the metafictional paradoxes that might entail if we treated it too earnestly:

Wibly-wobbly dimension-y wension-y. Works for me.

 

[Christopher]

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And that was a very funny gag the first time Steven Moffat used it in "Blink," but the more he's reused it, the more he's driven it into the ground.

 

[Gov Kodos]

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And that was a very funny gag the first time Steven Moffat used it in "Blink," but the more he's reused it, the more he's driven it into the ground.

Yes, the wibbly wobbly ploy to explain plot logic is fast reaching Treknobabble annoyance levels for me.

 

[The Wormhole]

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Moffat himself has only used the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey line three times (Blink, Time Crash, The Eleventh Hour). It's fandom that has re-used it again and again.

 

[Sci]

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Moffat himself has only used the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey line three times (Blink, Time Crash, The Eleventh Hour). It's fandom that has re-used it again and again.

Variants of it have appeared in "The Doctor's Wife" and "The Doctor, the Widow, and the Wardrobe."

But I really don't care. It's mostly just the equivalent of Basil Exposition and Austin Powers turning to the camera and telling the audience not to worry about temporal paradoxes in Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me -- it's an acknowledgement that the premise isn't completely rational, but that the important thing is to have fun with a story.

 

[Christopher]

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Moffat himself has only used the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey line three times (Blink, Time Crash, The Eleventh Hour).

And even the second time was enough to cheapen it. The problem with Moffat is that he gives us these brilliant, amazing ideas... and then he reuses and milks them over and over.

 

[Skellington]

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Moffat himself has only used the wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey line three times (Blink, Time Crash, The Eleventh Hour).

And even the second time was enough to cheapen it. The problem with Moffat is that he gives us these brilliant, amazing ideas... and then he reuses and milks them over and over.

This s a fair assessment, I think. He should probably give the timey-wimeyness a rest for a while.