"Distant Origin"

[froot]

You know this is why Voyager fans are mocked, right?

Mocked by whom, lol?! No, it's because they're Trekkies. All Trekkies are mocked, no matter what show they like! I still don't understand this fascination with folks trying to establish some kind of Internet Trekkie pecking order.

...I just got a visual of a portly little fellow in a sweaty Starfleet uniform donning a dilapidated Burger King crown and proclaiming himself the Trekkie King. Perhaps his scepter could be a half-melted ice cream cone. Damn, I'm going for some ice cream. brb.

But, yeah. Dinosaurs. I don't give a damn where they came from. I can suspend my disbelief for space dinosaurs.

 

[Anwar]

If you can't believe that some Dinosaurs survived, evolved and then left then you can just think that ancient aliens wanting to preserve their species transplanted them to the DQ long ago and left them there until they evolved. It's certainly no more bizarre than a race of liquid people who can travel at warp on their own power and turn into elements like fire and air.

 

[BlobVanDam]

You know this is why Voyager fans are mocked, right?

In that case, next time you mock me (hey, it's gonna happen), just remember that I think this episode is ridiculous

From the blatantly obvious parallels they were trying to draw (I would say analogy, but that implies some degree of obscuring, which doesn't apply here), to the silly notion of dinosaurs evolving and making spaceships and flying to the DQ, and the fact that the ship's computers could somehow extrapolate the evolution of a species at all let alone almost spot on, to the frustrating ending of the aliens being completely obstinate for the episode to make its point, it was just a silly episode.

At least Threshold was terrible enough to be thoroughly entertaining.

 

[F. King Daniel]

...I just got a visual of a portly little fellow in a sweaty Starfleet uniform donning a dilapidated Burger King crown and proclaiming himself the Trekkie King. Perhaps his scepter could be a half-melted ice cream cone. Damn, I'm going for some ice cream. brb.

Is that your mental image of me? Ouch! I need to do some P.R. here! This Trekkie King recently posted pics in the TNZ picture thread. Take a look if you dare.

 

[froot]

...I just got a visual of a portly little fellow in a sweaty Starfleet uniform donning a dilapidated Burger King crown and proclaiming himself the Trekkie King. Perhaps his scepter could be a half-melted ice cream cone. Damn, I'm going for some ice cream. brb.

Is that your mental image of me? Ouch! I need to do some P.R. here! This Trekkie King recently posted pics in the TNZ picture thread. Take a look if you dare.

Oops, sorry, KingDaniel! I totally forgot you had "king" in your name. To be dead honest, when I stopped and really imagined that scenario, all I could think of was myself. That just... seems like something I would do. I love Burger King crowns. And ice cream.

I shall hop over to the pic thread and check it out.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^No problem.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

...I just got a visual of a portly little fellow in a sweaty Starfleet uniform donning a dilapidated Burger King crown and proclaiming himself the Trekkie King. Perhaps his scepter could be a half-melted ice cream cone. Damn, I'm going for some ice cream. brb.

Is that your mental image of me? Ouch! I need to do some P.R. here! This Trekkie King recently posted pics in the TNZ picture thread. Take a look if you dare.

Oops, sorry, KingDaniel! I totally forgot you had "king" in your name. To be dead honest, when I stopped and really imagined that scenario, all I could think of was myself. That just... seems like something I would do. I love Burger King crowns. And ice cream.

I shall hop over to the pic thread and check it out.

After KingDaniel explained the origin of his name I no longer have regal associations with him..

And you win for "Trekkie Pecking Order" froot.

 

[F. King Daniel]

^I knew I'd regret that!

 

[exodus]

You know this is why Voyager fans are mocked, right?

In that case, next time you mock me (hey, it's gonna happen), just remember that I think this episode is ridiculous

From the blatantly obvious parallels they were trying to draw (I would say analogy, but that implies some degree of obscuring, which doesn't apply here), to the silly notion of dinosaurs evolving and making spaceships and flying to the DQ, and the fact that the ship's computers could somehow extrapolate the evolution of a species at all let alone almost spot on, to the frustrating ending of the aliens being completely obstinate for the episode to make its point, it was just a silly episode.

At least Threshold was terrible enough to be thoroughly entertaining.

I guess that's why it's fiction.
You know, the same way we all dispend belief that a replicator can turn shit into ice cream or that Jello can be sentient.

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

They're also less boring than the Borg because they aren't a Hive Mind. With the Voth they could've created a recurring super-powerful species that weren't good or bad, or just run into small groups of them in less powerful ships, or use them as a plot device to survive Borg attacks, etc.

There's far more potential with them than with the Borg, who were dead-end after BOBW.

yea, this idea is great!

 

[Infern0]

this was the first vhs that i bought, it had this episoode, and one other which i forget.

Anyway i have seen it dozens of times, I'm not a fan of it really, kind of boring, and yes the word "doctrine" is repeated too many times

 

[Lord Manitou]

Really? I think it's all believable and plausable by relating to what can be scientific fact. The Voths just didn't dig-up transwarp technology. It was something that evolved with their race after thousands of years. Besides, all the science fiction you see on Voyager is what makes Star Trek because it's plausable.
What's plausable is a class of dinosaurs 400 million yrs. ago that evolved quickly, formed a society, and then exited Earth on spaceships. That Gegen has a 'Distant Origin Theory' is plausable. That Gegen's ship was cloaked and they roamed around Voyager in a different space-time contains plausability. That Chakotay wanted to communicate with Gegen is plausable. The entire ship 'Voyager' was transported into their bay contains plausability. Even the fact that Chakotay with some help saved the day is plausable.
'Distant Origin' shouldn't be put down because it's plausable.

 

[Bishop76]

I'm sorry, I don't know how to respond to crazy.

 

[Shatnertage]

I'm sorry, I don't know how to respond to crazy.

Because faster-than-light ships, universal translators that work instantaneously, and transporters are all concepts thoroughly grounded in known science fact?

Once you've accepted that species that evolved on entirely different planets and have incompatible body chemistries are able of producing offspring together, believing dinosaurs evolved warp a few million years ago isn't that much of a jump.

 

[Bishop76]

Okie dokie - I'm just gonna back away now before this goes full retard.

 

[Anwar]

Ah yes, respond to decent critiques with insults. Very nice.

 

[Shatnertage]

^ (meant for 2 posts up)

If you really think about it, just about every element of Star Trek is implausible. But if cherry-picking some elements as "unbelievable" while accepting others at face value works for you, have at it.

 

[Bishop76]

Ah yes, respond to decent critiques with insults. Very nice.

It's actually a reference to a movie called Tropic Thunder.

Listen, I understand that we need to suspend disbelief quite a bit for these shows. But there are limits to that, and this episode crosses over that line without any really good reason for doing so.

 

[DS9]

Must we take all this that seriously though? I don't watch Trek that much as far as "oh that is possible and that isn't possible" or "that can happen or that can't happen" I mostly just watch Trek as an enjoyable show. I hope and wish some of the stuff that happens in all the series could be possible, that some of the technology they have we will garner at one point. The fact that a hadrosaur dinosaur evolved and moved off of Earth and developed a culture on a different planet I find to be interesting. Is this possible in reality? Maybe. I just look at it as an interesting episode with an interesting plot and I don't take it that seriously because it is however a product of fiction.

 

[Markira]

Must we take all this that seriously though? I don't watch Trek that much as far as "oh that is possible and that isn't possible" or "that can happen or that can't happen" I mostly just watch Trek as an enjoyable show. I hope and wish some of the stuff that happens in all the series could be possible, that some of the technology they have we will garner at one point. The fact that a hadrosaur dinosaur evolved and moved off of Earth and developed a culture on a different planet I find to be interesting. Is this possible in reality? Maybe. I just look at it as an interesting episode with an interesting plot and I don't take it that seriously because it is however a product of fiction.

My thoughts exactly. It's just fun, no need to get so serious about it. If you don't enjoy it, don't watch it. I didn't watch any science fiction for years, and then suddenly found myself watching Trek and now I can't get enough of it. But I might hate it if I sat there thinking like a NASA scientist would think about it.

It's like watching the medical drama shows and complaining about the extremely contrived rare, sometimes barely plausible medical conditions they regularly feature. That's not the point...the point is the drama itself.