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I thought there was a Moon Knight movie coming out??? If not there should be.
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I would want a Namor movie to be a period piece set in 1939 and include Kirby-esque sea creatures attacking NYC. And if the movie needed a "hero" character I nominate the original Human Torch, or tie it in to the Captain America movie somehow. Hell, for that matter-- an Invaders movie?
Hell. Yeah.
^ I've idly wondered if a Captain America movie should cameo anybody else from that period. Bucky is intrinsic to the story, no question in my mind in that regard. But who else? I imagine Human Torch and Toro, ditto, will get nixed--producers will figure that audiences will just ask 'isn't that the guy from Fantastic Four?' and get confused (which they probably would). Namor has lots of potential, but the Atlantean origin would feel like a distraction from the central focus of the movie, and he takes up a lot of room with his powerset; you wouldn't want him to be the only other powered hero in the film. Perhaps Spitfire could bring some balance (in powersets as well as gender), although that means explaining yet another superhero. In many ways, I feel like Captain America should really be a war film first and foremost, and would like the action to be Saving Private Ryan/Band of Brothers-style grittiness--which Cap's limited powerset works well within--rather than the more showy displays that Namor's would entail. Still, it might be interesting to see superhero battles from a cinéma vérité standpoint, seen from the POV of your common infantryman--think of the battle sequences in "Children of Men", only with superpowered individuals.
Also, post-credit scene showing the Soviets finding Bucky to set up Winter Soldier for a prospective Black Widow film?
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Also, post-credit scene showing the Soviets finding Bucky to set up Winter Soldier for a prospective Black Widow film?
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
The Invaders have actually been speculated on in relation to the movie, based on some comments from Kevin Feige.
^Thanks, that was an interesting article.
Aww, so much for an Invaders movie that's actually based on the Invaders.
Another reason to wish that Marvel Studios retained the rights to all of their characters.
Aww, so much for an Invaders movie that's actually based on the Invaders.
Another reason to wish that Marvel Studios retained the rights to all of their characters.
Possibly it was all spelled out, in detail, in the original licensing deal.
"FOX shall have exclusive access to, and only to, the following characters associated with the FANTASTIC FOUR comics book series: DOCTOR DOOM, SUB-MARINER, MOLE MAN . . ."
Or something like that.
Fox doesn't have the rights to Namor; that's why he wasn't mentioned in the Fantastic Four films and could never be used in the Fantastic Four films. Universal Studios has the rights to Namor, and that opens up the possibility for Disney to use him. After all, Universal also has the rights to Hulk, but they were willing to hand over rights to Marvel when they wanted to do Ed Norton's Incredible Hulk.
I think the separation happened because Namor is not derivative of Fantastic Four; Namor existed decades before Fantastic Four.
Well now that I've got everyone on the Namor bandwagon 
, howabout an Inhumans movie?
Eh, make it slam-bang action and fun, and you'll get butts in seats. The Hollywood liberals shouldn't overthink such things. And if they're really worried, it's possible to just translate the title "Captain America" so that it's something else in a foreign language. That's an easy "solve," and who cares, really? What the movie is called overseas will make no difference for its content, so just do whatever is most profitable.
It's like Star Trek - for us fans, we have an idea of the core of the story and characters behind the title, and we can tell when they're doing it "right" or "wrong." But realistically, for most of the audience, it's just shit getting blowed up real good. The creators of the movie can give the fans a story that adheres to the integrity of the plot, character and theme, while giving 90% of the paying audience the 'splosions they are looking for in a summer blockbuster. Everybody wins!
But really, isn't "The First Avenger: Captain America" more aggressive and imperialistic sounding than just "Captain America"? Remember, people who don't know who Captain America is don't know who the Avengers are, either. "Avenger" could just be interpreted as a description - like "vigilante." I bet they translate that title quite differently in various markets, depending on what they think is most likely to get butts in seats.
, howabout an Inhumans movie?Eh, make it slam-bang action and fun, and you'll get butts in seats. The Hollywood liberals shouldn't overthink such things. And if they're really worried, it's possible to just translate the title "Captain America" so that it's something else in a foreign language. That's an easy "solve," and who cares, really? What the movie is called overseas will make no difference for its content, so just do whatever is most profitable.
It's like Star Trek - for us fans, we have an idea of the core of the story and characters behind the title, and we can tell when they're doing it "right" or "wrong." But realistically, for most of the audience, it's just shit getting blowed up real good. The creators of the movie can give the fans a story that adheres to the integrity of the plot, character and theme, while giving 90% of the paying audience the 'splosions they are looking for in a summer blockbuster. Everybody wins!
But really, isn't "The First Avenger: Captain America" more aggressive and imperialistic sounding than just "Captain America"? Remember, people who don't know who Captain America is don't know who the Avengers are, either. "Avenger" could just be interpreted as a description - like "vigilante." I bet they translate that title quite differently in various markets, depending on what they think is most likely to get butts in seats.
In the comic world, Ironman has always been an A-lister. He can hold as well as Hulk if not out sell Hulk titles. Ironman, Thor and Hulk work pretty good as a combo in the Avengers, the difference in roles and dicotomy of character is what always made them interesting. One a Jekyl and Hyde beast of rage, another a God who controls magic and lightning, and finally the leading arms seller the tinman of science...but if he were to quit Avengers and sell on his own, his comic would probably out sell Thor and Hulk or at least give them some close competition. IMO he's been an A-lister for the past 2 decades
Cartoon Iron Man 1994
Marvel Super Heroes 1995 Arcade video game
Cartoon Avengers 1999 United They Stand
Marvel vs. Capcom 2000 Arcade/Playstaion
Ultimates DVD 2005
Ultimate Avengers II 2006
That was before the movie with RDJ came out, which has lead to all kinds of increases in his popularity
Won't work for the English language market - Canada, Australia, United Kingdom, etc. Really, the smart thing would to distance him from American jingoism, which I hear the G.I. Joe film did. Make him be like Barack Obama or something.
A Black Captain America? Maybe it's time. Get Will Smith on the phone. Tell him it's Pursuit of Happyness plus Hancock with a side order of Men In Black and the rah-rah bit of Independence Day.
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I'm altogether too familiar with Will Smith films.
Actually, I think that this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Bradley
http://www.amazon.com/Captain-America-Truth-Robert-Morales/dp/0785136665
...could make an amazing movie.
No, that wouldn't work at all with his backstory.
Cap's never really been written as jingoistic (apart from his creation in the 1940s), but he's widely perceived as being jingoistic, which will be the hurdle to overcome.
According to Turtletrekker a black Captain America's been done before. Alternate universe, yeah, but why not go with that guy?
Anyway, important thing about perceptions is even what Americans wouldn't see as jingoistic is seen as jingoistic to a foreign audiences. It's precisely the sort of dissonance that got George Bush re-elected twice as it were. If you want to sell a Captain America overseas he's probably got to be relatable to the sort of image of America liked overseas, and given that he dresses himself up in the flag like he's George Bush Sr. casting him in a sorta Obama-ian light isn't too bad an idea.
It wouldn't hurt finances if America's a blue stater, simply put.
*Though oddly he's one of the few heroes in the Marvel line-up I have any fondness for. Basically him and... uh... no actually that's just it. I think it's because I watched the cartoon or something.
Apart? That's his whole raison d'etre, go America! attitude of World War II. He was a simple propaganda tool, superheroics kicking the Nazis. He may have evolved far far beyond that since then*, juust like G.I. Joe is an international guy based in Belgium or whatever that was.
Anyway, important thing about perceptions is even what Americans wouldn't see as jingoistic is seen as jingoistic to a foreign audiences. It's precisely the sort of dissonance that got George Bush re-elected twice as it were. If you want to sell a Captain America overseas he's probably got to be relatable to the sort of image of America liked overseas, and given that he dresses himself up in the flag like he's George Bush Sr. casting him in a sorta Obama-ian light isn't too bad an idea.
It wouldn't hurt finances if America's a blue stater, simply put.
*Though oddly he's one of the few heroes in the Marvel line-up I have any fondness for. Basically him and... uh... no actually that's just it. I think it's because I watched the cartoon or something.
Actually, aside from the one alternate universe appearace from the Wiki that you cited, Isaiah Bradley exists in the 616 universe alongside the "real" Cap. He was a part of an attempt to re-create the Super Soldier Serum using black soldiers as guinea pigs. In the modern continuity, side-effects from the serum and a lack of medical treatment for said side-effects has left the elderly Bradley with the mental capacity of a small child. The current hero "Patriot" from the Young Avengers is Bradley's grandson.
Because that isn't Captain America. Captain America is Steve Rogers. Bradley is a side character in the mythos with a completely different backstory and nature.
He's been a completely different character since Lee brought him back in 1964, with the emphasis being on his role as a man out of time/embodiment of the Greatest Generation.
The first movie being in World War II will help the concept be sold, I think, given that World War II was the "last good war" and American participation in that gets pretty good reviews across the board.
And Patience Phillips isn't Catwoman... bad example but you get the gist of it. You could simply make Steve Rogers black but the few people who care that Captain is Steve would be upset about that, hence the Isaiah route seems relatively sane. And so on.
Is it entirely a period piece?
Then yeah, that might work. And I'd also be onboard for it... maybe. 'The First Avenger' title does give me pause, because I'd be uninterested in the Avenger movie.
We'll see, why not.
Well I think given the fact that Bradley-Cap has been established as an actual CANON part of the Captain America-Super Soldier mythos it would be irresponsible for them NOT to include him in some way. Keep in mind there were at LEAST 3 other guys calling themselves Captain America and Bucky before Steve Roger's frozen white ass was thawed out.
I could really see the ending be set just after WW2 and the whole story with Cap, Zemo and Bucky. Some early SHIELD-ish guy going "There needs to be a Captain America. Start the project back up." and then you see Bradley and some black guys in a waiting room. Then you cut to a Soviet sub rising up and retrieving Bucky.
Dun dun dunnnnn..
But I would actually like to see a Silver Sable and the Wild Pack movie... they could even have Silver's poppa work with Cap briefly in the film to set up their own movie...
I could really see the ending be set just after WW2 and the whole story with Cap, Zemo and Bucky. Some early SHIELD-ish guy going "There needs to be a Captain America. Start the project back up." and then you see Bradley and some black guys in a waiting room. Then you cut to a Soviet sub rising up and retrieving Bucky.
Dun dun dunnnnn..
But I would actually like to see a Silver Sable and the Wild Pack movie... they could even have Silver's poppa work with Cap briefly in the film to set up their own movie...
Cap has been "Barak America" since his revivial in the 60s. More or less the symbol of America done correctly. He's the nicest and most fair minded guy you'll ever meet.