Discovery's uniform insignia...combadge?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by MarsWeeps, Feb 1, 2017.

  1. Iamnotspock

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    It's clear to us, the fans, but if the production has any hope of having a wider appeal than that, and of having any kind of shelf life, they won't go down that route. Trek is about holding a mirror up to contemporary society by depicting an uplifting vision of the future, not navel-gazing fan service. ST does predict and inspire technology; it's a SF show, not a history piece.
     
  2. Kemaiku

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    In which case the Borg blow it up anyway.
     
  3. Serveaux

    Serveaux Boomer American Premium Member

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    Nothing about the show really looks like the Prime universe, so...
     
  4. Amasov

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    Does that mean it has to look like the 1960s?

    What aesthetic would make it look as such?
     
  5. sojourner

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    He didn't say that either.
     
  6. Amasov

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    I'm just trying to understand what it has to look like in order to belong in the prime universe.
     
  7. sojourner

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    Whatever gets shown on screen is canon. So, whatever the producers feel like.
     
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  8. Number One

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    Let me start by saying, that, for Kelvin Timeline/Universe purposes, I like the 2 movies pyjamas (cause if we call the older shows as such, that's what the new ones also are, as "inspired" by them) and not really fond of the Beyond ones, though the Duty Uniforms(if they're considered as such), are ok, though some may find them militaristic(however these ARE action movies so it better bodes their pacing, in a way).

    I don't have a problem with any changes they do, though I wouldn't personally like the "more uniform like approach" some seem to favor these days(to each their own per popular saying). I do have and been having a huge problem with the production companies AND with TPTB in general of shows that sell a product distinguished from Star Wars due to "targeting a more intelligent audience"(as elitist and snobbyish this obviously sounds), yet demanding those same fans to keep their brains out while following different iterations of the show, breaking its internal continutity for years, yet selling products that rely on such continuity, which TPTB established and canonized, setting their rules on what is or isn't canonical info.

    Yet those products they sell, they apparently don't respect, cause they easily change according to marketing or other decisions(who are oblivious to things like fashion running in circles over time, so let's make our own style and not keeep up to date with modern times just cause some think we should, cause you know, its a show taking place in the FUTURE, so viewers are attracted to that aspect basically, not another iteration of modern times etc. for which other shows exist that can be up to date with modern reality, each and every time).

    Now how you solve that? You deffinitelly don't mock them or tell them to get a life, cause that might mean NOT buying your products(eg, posters, novels, comics and all paraphernalia people buy when they are obsessed with something, which marketing btw loves to have). You can make bold decisions like rebooting it every time and admitting it, creating all sorts of parallel universes(abit ala Marvel) for the show. You can definitelly try to remaster details every time, like they've done with Star Wars a bit, when they want to change something.

    You definitelly don't pretend that "hey all is ok, nothing changed" when it is obvious everything changed or most everything to make it no longer recognized by rules, visuals, behaviours that were there before. You most certainly DON'T try to capitalize on it by selling stuff about its INTERNAL history and Timeline's when you intend to break them all the time cause it fits your needs best. If you do, you are frank and say so - fans eventually respect that - and you don't try to explain everything.

    I'm not a trekkie, don't have any novels or paraphernalia in my collection. I just know most of Trek(not all roughly 80% and not in so deep details). But I hate that what they do is basically a mockery of a large portion of the fans, each time they increase their hopes and then fail them. Which I just don't like to see happening. I lose respect to the people that do that, cause in my mind they fail their roles, which is not professional deciever(that, in a way is the actor's job, so the viewer can be immersed in the spectacle they are creating.)

    I will not mind any changes they do if they will be frank about them. Else I'll just loose interest in this series just like with ENT which proved in its run things can be done properly(*Edited to add: Since Coto) and people will like them, either way(even if it failed even doing things properly cause it was too late to save it, or the studios didn't want to keep a product that would do things properly as it might not have been the product they wanted to sell to the viewers). Else it will be same old, same old, fan vs fan pitting, which is absolutelly the worse thing a franchise can do. Back then it made fans enemies between them, and that's the reason it failed most of all imo, regarding ratings. Some enjoy to see those battles, they're just that kind of people I guess, they like to watch apparently "blood being spilt". I just abstain in such periods.

    I think it would hurt Trek to repeat that. So it's not late to start thinking over their actions abit. It's good to have Trek on small screen again, but quality is something that derives from all aspects of a product.

    However that's my opinion. (Apologies for being long with it, but these are things I kept to myself for a long time and feel they had to be expressed somehow, so someone knows some people may think likewise).
     
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  9. Kor

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    Exactly. Visual similarities to the Kelvin-verse movies, as that is the version of Trek that new viewers will be more familiar with.

    Star Wars is a different beast because it's not supposed to be connected to our world in any way.

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  10. Kemaiku

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    It's Trek like in appearance, immediately for everyone, and that's likely all that matters.
     
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  11. Captain of the USS Averof

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    To be fair TMP did it first, way back in 1979. The gold metal Starfleet insignia I mean.
     
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  12. Serveaux

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    For a show to "look like the Prime universe" circa ten years before TOS, it would have to look pretty similar to TOS. That's a matter of logic, since the only TOS era stuff we've seen was TOS.

    We can already see that it's not going to look like TOS - really, nothing since the 1979 revival has.

    We have seen the same periods of time as depicted in nuTrek, and everything of course looks very different.
     
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  13. CaptainDonovin

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    I figured it out, well two ideas what the badge really is.

    1- it is an ornament that when you push that peg in the corner it quotes a line from the show.

    2- it is a stand for the playmates figures & the peg is for the foot.
     
  14. Roald

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    While I would love more TOS aesthetics, I think we are going to have be realistic and accept that CBS will of course want to turn this show into a monster hit... and I don't think '60 styled sci fi ideas are going to work... I do think that the way it was done in Axanar was very effective though so I am hoping for some kind of mixture... But I am expecting that in the end it will look a whole lot more like ENT or NuTrek than The Cage...
     
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  15. NOVE9

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    I would find it harder to watch if it was similar to TOS in aesthetics. TOS i can watch no problem and appreciate the era it was made in however this is a new show set in the same time frame for a modern audience. It's unfair imho to expect them to make it look just like TOS just for the sake of some peoples need for everything to be consistent right down to the smallest minutia.
     
  16. Markinvirginia

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    I know allot of people are hung up on if they keep with past designs, technologies and astetic levels.

    I think they could handle this fairly easily. Simply have a 1-2 minute intro by Rod Roddenberry explaining how his dad would approve of the changes. Something to the effect that like humanity, the show has to evolve. Regardless if it set in the 22nd, 23rd or 24th centuries.

    I know allot of people would have preferred a new show set in the 25th century. But they still would have had the same problems in that they would have had to show technology from TNG and Voyagers future instead of our own. In that history tablets only existed in the late 24th century and not at all in the 23rd. That is simply unrealistic to jive with the actual history we are seeing unfold. In either Case it doesn't jive with our own technical progression.

    Let's not forget that according to Star Trek we were supposed to have sleeper ships in the 1990's along with a eugenics war. So we are behind as well as ahead of Star Trek in certain technologies.

    Their best bet is to acknowledge time has moved on, and it is time to rest our timelines. 50 years is a long time.

    So I am ok with comm badges holodecks in discovery's timeframe or whatever else, as long as they give it some good writing and establish things appropriately.
     
  17. Amasov

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    Star Trek isn't about technology, so I'm unclear why people are getting hung up on that anyway.
     
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  18. jaime

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    Um.
    It kinda is about Tech as well as the characters. The Tech is ther to serve the story, but they've had engineers and science consultants on Trek since at least TMP
     
  19. Scotchy

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    Looks like it could work as a bottle opener...
     
  20. jaime

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    And the real reason for the oval to funny chevron in first contact becomes clear. Flip down bottle opener at the back.
     
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