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Discovery theory, redux

Nearly *all* shows are made about something no one know or care about - because most shows discuss events that haven't happened yet/haven't been invented yet.

The possibility of fans *already* knowing and caring about the events is one of the uniqunesses (which probably has as many pros as cons) that a StarTrek prequel has.

That's circular logic, which doesn't apply in this case. There's a difference between making a show with a premise no one knows about because it hasn't been seen or mentioned before, and making a show based on something that has been seen or mentioned, but that no one knows more that the initial mention.

Take the example of the "Vulcanian expedition." It was a throwaway line mentioned in a TOS episode, the context being that it was a mission that Kirk went on when he was younger, along with another member of his crew. The only inference besides these facts is the name of the expedition. "Vulcanian" implies something to do with Vulcan or the Vulcans. So in this case, there was an event mentioned and been invented, as opposed to a completely new idea.

Now granted, for all I know, Fuller and Co. can take that tiny bit of info and come up with the greatest Trek show ever, even though the above info is so vague as to be relatively meaningless as far as how they want to interpret it. I simply don't think that the "Vulcanian expedition" is what they're talking about when they mentioned a past event spoken of in TOS but never seen.

LUKE: You fought in the Clone Wars?
OBI-WAN: Yes. I was once a Jedi knight, the same as your father.

Are you kidding me? Everyone on freaking earth had heard of the Clone Wars before, because everyone has seen Star Wars a million times, and it was stuck in their brains. The "Vulcanian expedition" had no such sticking power.
 
Are you kidding me? Everyone on freaking earth had heard of the Clone Wars before, because everyone has seen Star Wars a million times, and it was stuck in their brains. The "Vulcanian expedition" had no such sticking power.

Chuckle. For 25 years it was only a throwaway line mentioned by a character. Until Lucas decided to base two movies (and two TV shows) around that unexplained reference that only Star Wars fans remembered and wanted to know more about. Of course nowadays everyone knows about it.
 
Are you kidding me? Everyone on freaking earth had heard of the Clone Wars before, because everyone has seen Star Wars a million times, and it was stuck in their brains. The "Vulcanian expedition" had no such sticking power.

That's only because we had 9 hours of Star Wars to watch over and over again as opposed to 79 hours of Star Trek (more if you want to count TMP and WOK).

Vulcanian expedition might stick out more if there were only 9 Star Trek episodes and they were all interconnected into 1 continuous story line.

Personally I think the throwaway line that Discovery is going to be based on is this:

SPOCK: Under dispute between the two parties since initial contact. The battle of Donatu Five was fought near here twenty three solar years ago. Inconclusive.


So, 23 years prior to The Trouble with Tribbles there was a battle fought between Klingons and the Federation. DISC is set around this time (allowing for a little fudge factor - or not). Its set during a time of cold war tension between Klingons and the Federation. We have a recurring Klingon Captain whom I think will be a recurring villain. Discovery is going to be guarding the Klingon/Federation border and engaging in diplomatic missions with peoples living along the border. It will feature an ongoing struggle between the Federation and the Klingons. Sure, there will be other missions and maybe there will even be some larger main story that involves the Klingons like the struggle to secure a particular resource or some other McGuffin or something. Maybe a race between the Klingons and Federation to find a mysterious race of ancients or their capital planet or their source of power or something....
 
Chuckle. For 25 years it was only a throwaway line mentioned by a character.

And it was a throwaway line that everybody knew about. As opposed to the Vulcanian expedition, which nobody knew about.

Until Lucas decided to base two movies (and two TV shows) around that unexplained reference that only Star Wars fans remembered and wanted to know more about.

I'm pretty sure more than just Star Wars fans knew about that reference.

Of course nowadays everyone knows about it.

They knew about it back then too.

That's only because we had 9 hours of Star Wars to watch over and over again as opposed to 79 hours of Star Trek (more if you want to count TMP and WOK).

Vulcanian expedition might stick out more if there were only 9 Star Trek episodes and they were all interconnected into 1 continuous story line.

Yes, that's absolutely correct. Which is why it's a bad example when trying to compare the two.

So, 23 years prior to The Trouble with Tribbles there was a battle fought between Klingons and the Federation. DISC is set around this time (allowing for a little fudge factor - or not). Its set during a time of cold war tension between Klingons and the Federation. We have a recurring Klingon Captain whom I think will be a recurring villain. Discovery is going to be guarding the Klingon/Federation border and engaging in diplomatic missions with peoples living along the border. It will feature an ongoing struggle between the Federation and the Klingons. Sure, there will be other missions and maybe there will even be some larger main story that involves the Klingons like the struggle to secure a particular resource or some other McGuffin or something. Maybe a race between the Klingons and Federation to find a mysterious race of ancients or their capital planet or their source of power or something....

Yep, the battle of Donatu V, and/or events leading up to the outbreak of war by "Errand of Mercy" would be my guess.
 
I'm with Dukhat on this: My cousins and I had a TON of discussions about the Clone Wars and what role Vader, "General Skywalker", Obi-Wan, and Mandalorians might have played in it - and this was ongoing through the 80's. Whereas I think I willfully forgot the phrase "Vulcanian expedition" because of how incorrect it is compared to the standard use of "Vulcan" that was apparently settled on after that episode of TOS, but still well before I was born.
 
Why would one throwaway line be any more memorable than another?

You tell me. Which one of these were you already aware of before there was talk that DSC was going to be about a "little known event talked about in TOS but not seen?"

A. The Battle of Axanar
B. The Battle of Donatu V
C. the Vulcanian expedition
 
You tell me. Which one of these were you already aware of before there was talk that DSC was going to be about a "little known event talked about in TOS but not seen?"

A. The Battle of Axanar
B. The Battle of Donatu V
C. the Vulcanian expedition

My answer is C. The Vulcanian expedition.
 
My answer is C. The Vulcanian expedition.

Uh huh. I just rewatched "Court Martial." Kirk walks into a bar, sees Timothy, walks over to Timothy, and says, "Timothy, I haven't seen you since the Vulcanian expedition." Timothy ignores him. And that's it.

Yes, a quite memorable scene. Beats the Battle of Axanar and Donatu V by leaps and bounds. I can see why it stuck in your mind all these decades while the other ones didn't.
 
Thing is, it doesn't even have to be a throw away line from TOS. It could even be a line from a film, TNG, DS9, or VOY. Unlikely it would be one from ENT since that is before the events in the new show.
 
Uh huh. I just rewatched "Court Martial." Kirk walks into a bar, sees Timothy, walks over to Timothy, and says, "Timothy, I haven't seen you since the Vulcanian expedition." Timothy ignores him. And that's it.
What happens in Vulcania stays in Vulcania.
 
And yet that throwaway line about the Vulcanian expedition has fueled the imagination of fans for decades! More so than, oh I don't know, let's say that other throwaway line about the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.
 
All ships start from Kessel with a full load of cargo, the ship that returns having sold their entire cargo for the highest price having travelled the shortest distance (therefore the least systems) wins.

Yeah, I totally think we should have a television series based on this.
 
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