Discovery starship discussion [SPOILERS]

Discussion in 'Trek Tech' started by Cpt. Kyle Amasov, Sep 25, 2017.

  1. B.J.

    B.J. Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Someone else happened to notice that there was a Romulan logo on one of the Orion city tents: https://i.imgur.com/GVMhS5D.png

    Dunno if actual Romulans were there, or if it was just the "Romulan ale tent".
     
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  2. 137th Gebirg

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    I remember that. IIRC, a couple behind-the-scenes photos from the costuming department showed some similar Romulan-esque logos on a couple outfits that were being worn by the rebel Vulcans, including MU Sarek. This gave rise to the idea that maybe, in this universe, there's less of a distinction between Vulcan and Romulan, to the point where they never split, but were more an accepted sub-faction or nation of Vulcan.
     
  3. matthunter

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    Actually, even non-MU Sarek has been wearing some quite Romulan-like designs (shoulderpads, grey/black cloth) but I think we could probably take that as shared heritage. In fact, if it's from the time of the Romulan Exodus, Sarek may associate it with the Romulan ideals - and he's the Ambassador to humanity... who probably remind Vulcans very much of their ancestors.

    Are we buying Spock's argument in Balance of Terror that the Vulcans didn't know the Romulans were an offshoot? DSC is set prior to that ep, but we know from ENT some Vulcans were in contact with Romulans back in Archer's day - but did they know that?
     
  4. Tomalak

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    I guess it wasn't common knowledge, but Vulcan high-ups must know, or at least suspect the truth. Spock needn't know it - he doesn't know everything. If no one told him and it's not officially recorded anywhere, why would he?
     
  5. 137th Gebirg

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    Heh...I wouldn't trust the Vulcans in Archer's day to be all that truthful about what they knew about anything. It was clear they were trying to hold back the humans as much as they could. Their secret listening post on P'Jem didn't instill much trust to the other future-founders of the Federation, not to mention the other odd, almost non-Vulcan behaviors exhibited during the course of that series. I'm thinking full knowledge of the Romulans was indeed known by certain elements within the Vulcan high command and were deeply buried. It's probably one of their species' dirtiest of secrets until the incident during "Balance of Terror", when they couldn't hide it anymore.
     
  6. Ronald Held

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    The sundering was alleged to be around the time of Surak. Likely few Vulcans knew of it, and those who did would not mention it,due to the severe repercussions it would cause.
    Why Sarek dresses as he does Is a mystery. Might hold for all DSC Vulcans
     
  7. Ithekro

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    Different languages that use completely different typed character. Or for species that can't hear, but can see and understand text, since lip reading a foreign language should be hard.
     
  8. Timo

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    I remember seeing these folks fidget, but I thought they were just uncomfortable with their uniforms (and stood out for it because they, well, stood out, unlike those other fidgeters in their back row seats)...

    Of the folks copy-pasted to create the audience, quite a few wore this new blue style. It wasn't just the row in front of the side wall, or the duo in the special box, but random folks. I'm really looking forward to seeing what they make of the style variation. And hoping that it's parallel styles, so that one set of colorful pullovers/turtlenecks with an optional jacket flows into the next, while the flashy jumpsuits get their own separate successor style (which we perhaps miss out on during TOS, so that it only returns for ST2:TWoK - or is in fact seen in TMP).

    ...Could we have the DSC jumpsuits in a role similar to the TOS movie ones? That is, why are the Admirals wearing the jumpsuits in DSC while the lowly trainees and enlisteds wear them in the movies? Is it because this "more rugged" style is fashionable during a war, which is why all of Cornwell's colleagues adopt these "camos" for the first season while only the testosterone-drunk Anderson wore the gung-ho field gear before the war?

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  9. Tomalak

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    We saw the Disco uniforms in the flashback to Burnham's arrival on the Shenzhou right? So they've used those costumes for at least seven years, but possibly a great deal longer given some of the ENT era design cues.

    Could be they are simply in the course of being phased out at this time. The Cage/WNMHGB style might be a limited test before rolling out the TOS look across the whole fleet.

    But those shirts only lasted five or so years before the TMP suits arrived, unless they were a limited ''Earth" uniform.
     
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  10. Ronald Held

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    Hopefully we will transition to WNMHGB uniforms for the crew and TOS Admirals uniforms for the Brass?
     
  11. Timo

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    I would very much like to see a continuum from "The Cage" to the Monster Maroons - colorful turtlenecks beneath optional jackets - with TOS merely representing that continuum but Kirk not taking the jacket option much. Having some sort of a jumpsuit continue in parallel would nicely allow for TMP, then, especially if the jumpsuit back then was capital planet/first-rate wear and the turtlenecks and jackets were frontier style.

    But a total failure of continuum is also acceptable, I guess. It's just another feature of Trek: Klingons are defined by always being different, and uniforms are defined by being short-lived, the latter perhaps because the Federation wants to promote diversity and equal opportunities for tailors from different cultures.

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  12. King Daniel Beyond

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    I doubt they spent all that money designing a new look just to immediately ditch it for the look they were "supposed" to have all along.
     
  13. Ronald Held

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    I agree but that gives the CG modelers more excuses to make changes.
     
  14. Mr. Laser Beam

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    IIRC, the DSC costume designers have indeed prepared a set of Cage/WNMHGB-like uniforms, which are being kept in storage for later use.
     
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  15. King Daniel Beyond

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    I think they were rumoured to be seen during a set visit, but it was never confirmed. Some have suspected someone actually saw Michael's TOS-command-coloured prison uniform.

    Then again, there were Cage/Kelvin-ish bluniforms seen during Burnham's speech in Paris, so who knows?
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  16. Spike730

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    It's a visual reboot. There's no need for an explanation why the DIS uniforms look nothing like the ones in "The Cage".
     
  17. Timo

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    Every Trek spinoff started out as a visual reboot. None kept it up long; the TOS uniforms and starships always made a return. And not through an "explanation", as none was needed, save for the obvious: Trek spinoffs are not contemporary with the original. DSC is hardly an exception so far...

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  18. Crazy Eddie

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    No they didn't.

    Only in nostalgia episodes that were deliberately going for "retro" as part of the appeal. Discovery's pretty firmly nailed that coffin shut with the redesign of the Enterprise.

    DSC has deliberately redesigned literally every set piece, costume and prop from the Star Trek universe, from the starships exteriors to the doors on the food slots. They will not be returning to the "classic" uniform styles.
     
  19. Timo

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    Of course they were visual reboots. TMP looked nothing like TOS. The Makers just didn't have the guts to follow through, and added the TOS ship. Wrath looked nothing like TMP. The Makers just couldn't afford not to recycle effects and sets. TNG looked nothing like either TOS or the movies. The Makers just backtracked, and benefited later on as they could more freely use movie sets and props. And atop all that came the nostalgia episodes, which is fitting for a pure nostalgia franchise.

    Which is what all the shows and neo-movies did, sooner or later. Because Trek without the nostalgia just cannot survive. So far, DSC if anything is a greater offender in the nostalgia department than the others, having started with the "Easter eggs" right off the bat.

    How is DSC any different from TMP there?

    TNG did the same, and did return. ENT did the same, and did return. So, what are you talking about?

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  20. David cgc

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    The Disco-prise is no more set in stone than the original version was (or, if you want to get technical, the Cage, WNMHGB, Series, T&T, IAMD, and both remastered versions were). There's nothing to stop them from showing a more faithful version of the TOS ship at any point in the future. nuBSG replaced, like, half of their ships with different versions over its run. Stargate: Atlantis revamped their Puddle Jumper set every season without a word to suggest it hadn't always looked that way (and never mind that their effects houses all used their own CG models, so the Jumper and the City itself changed appearance drastically from episode-to-episode or even scene to scene). The uniform switch in TNG. The Millennium Falcon between ANH and ESB. The Enterprise between STID and STB. These things happen all the time.

    Hell, if whoever has been pushing for a more retro look behind the scenes and then been overruled at the last minute wins the right fistfight in the next few months, we could sit down next year and watch the "Previously on Discovery" teaser in the very next episode with a more "originalist" Enterprise swooping into view, complete with the hall markings on it and Discovery having mysteriously switched from futuristic Eurostile* to space-age AmarilloUSAF, probably with some damn light in the scene. And we'll all just pretend it was always like that.

    *I know it's really Microgramma, don't @ me.