You don't? Because it's not a five deck shuttlebay? I watched the show, sure looked like it was two decks to me. Where did this five deck shuttlebay idea come from?
Discovery Size Argument™ thread
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You don't? Because it's not a five deck shuttlebay? I watched the show, sure looked like it was two decks to me. Where did this five deck shuttlebay idea come from?
Wait just a sec here. How high is the refit (or the TOS) shuttle bay? Not based on schematics, but based on visuals? Looking at various pictures, I'd say it is at least 4 decks high. For example, here's a shot from The Galileo Seven:
Note the height of the bay doors would accommodate three shuttles stacked one atop the other. Then the bay itself extends higher. Could easily be 5 decks itself.
Also, you can't actually see the part of Discovery with the shuttle bay. It's obscured by the nacelles. So, your point doesn't really fly.
There's no reason to change the size of the TNG Enterprise. It was meticulously designed, and when they later wished to add the ten forward set, they didn't just disregard the scale. They built a new model, and included the update.
You can't just make an entire ship larger over one room that may or may not fit.
Here, you can see that the four-foot model(top) incorporates "Ten-Forward" by altering the deck plan. The rim is now 2 decks thick, as opposed to the earlier six-foot model(bottom) used in Season's 1 & 2.
You can't just make an entire ship larger over one room that may or may not fit.
Here, you can see that the four-foot model(top) incorporates "Ten-Forward" by altering the deck plan. The rim is now 2 decks thick, as opposed to the earlier six-foot model(bottom) used in Season's 1 & 2.
I'm wondering about the Cheron. Is the throne room on a single deck? When the Discovery fires on it, you can see through the breach right into space(and see the Discovery for an instant), but the "Jabba's Palace" hole in the floor is also directly open to space, with a very thin floor plate.
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The throne room is actually at the bottom of the cutout u can see in the top left picture, this is how u can see the reactor below and the Discovery above, bit like the bridge location on the Vengeance.I'm wondering about the Cheron. Is the throne room on a single deck? When the Discovery fires on it, you can see through the breach right into space(and see the Discovery for an instant), but the "Jabba's Palace" hole in the floor is also directly open to space, with a very thin floor plate.
https://goo.gl/images/SqazBA Sorry unable to post the actual image at the moment, but regarding the shuttlebay, I’d count the decks again, because based on the size of the door you see in there, is easily 4 decks minimum. 5 decks is also very doable depending on the floor thickness.
Also looking at the TOS style window observation walkways, which are a full deck tall and still many times their own height off the bay floor, it’s definitely not 2 decks tall. Sorry if that last description part doesn’t make sense ha ha.
^ Here you go:
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It's a big shuttle bay which is easily 4 decks high maybe even 5.^ Here you go:
I think the ship design and official size is great.
Which is how tall the Constitution class shuttle bay is (see my post up a few). The difference is the Discovery's bay is much wider, which makes it look "bigger", and so people think the ship is "bigger".
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It is bigger @WarpFactorZ, you have lost this one just as you lost the one for the Kelvinverse Enterprise.
The official size has been given by those who have the authority and the inside knowledge on the design.
I appreciate you dont like it but its tough and no amount of dead horse flogging by you is going to change that.
Let it go.
But Constitution shuttle bay doesn't fit in the ship in the commonly accepted size either...
Whilst I kinda wished DIS ships had been somewhat smaller, I can appreciate that they have seemed to really think the sets and the ship models through, so everything seems pretty consistent. This is really not the same thing as supersizing in the Kelvin films where the exterior of the ship was designed for a much smaller ship, but they just decided to upscale it anyway so that they could fit that stupid brevery.
I think a better summary would be "Is Discovery significantly larger than the (official length) Enterprise? Answer: Yes, but maybe the Enterprise is also."
I would like to hear a good argument why the constitution should be any larger than it is. Has anyone seen the "Strategic Design" deck plans? It seems to work fine to me.
I mean, what takes up the most volume in the 2x plus Kelvin enterprise?
Answer: Air. Lots and lots of air.
I mean, what takes up the most volume in the 2x plus Kelvin enterprise?
Answer: Air. Lots and lots of air.
Kelvin Enterprise is absurdly large, no question about it. However, about 300 m Prime Connie is too small. The shuttle bay doesn't fit, in the refit the rec deck, torpedo bay, and cargo bay don't fit, and most importantly neither in the original or in the refit the windows just don't work at that size. It is most obvious on the saucer rim, the windows indicate two decks, but in usually assumed size that is just impossible. Also, most deck plans just plainly cheat by assuming deck height much smaller than what's actually seen on screen. About 400 metre Connie would pretty much fix all these issues. Making it much larger than that would lead to new scaling issues.
Only if its not redesigned. And lets be honest, It will be.
Are you in the right thread?
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It wont do any good, they don't want it to be that big and choose to ignore both the official size announcement and diagrams because they think they know better than the actual individuals who designed the new models and animated them on screen.The old:
The new:
There really is no helping them, I can only assume they choose to be miserable about it, every now and then they bring up the subject again in the hope that reality has somehow changed since the last time, it hasn't and it wont.
Its no surprise that they have reimagined both the design and size of ships for the new show/films with all the advances in CGI that have been achieved since the 60s-80s, everything is high definition and you cant get away with using household items anymore as the models, so the ships have to be designed properly and that means the older smaller designs of the Enterprise just wont cut it anymore as it becomes clear very quickly that it wont all fit in the older dimensions.
It also enables the CGI people to add lots more detail to the ships and for larger sets providing more options and space for the actors and scriptwriters, MU Lorca's man cave on the Discovery is a great example of this.
I am expecting at least a change in size for the Constitution class if/when we see one as it has been confirmed to be one of the most powerful ships in the fleet which means it isn't going to be a minnow, perhaps even a nice redesign like we got with the Europa and all the aztec motifs on the hull, I think it looked great.
Shame about the Admiral being a pratt though.
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