Don't let things get personal, please.
Discovery Showrunners fired; Kurtzman takes over
- Thread starter StCoop
- Start date
Well, kudos for honesty.I mean I’m still going to watch the show (and the other 5 when they debut), but I’m obstinate and intransigent and I want a reason why things look different dagnabbit and I don’t like things that are different
P.s. I’m pretty sure I undermined my own argument somewhere in that post. If I’m honest I don’t really care that much about the look of DSC. It’s just not what I was expecting. I’ll get over it haha!
To be fair, nobody would watch the Star Trek I would want to see.
I want to see episodes where we literally explore the minutiae of the crew’s daily lives - on a day where nothing is threatening the federation or the universe or whatever. Just like an ordinary Thursday. What do they do at lunchtime? What does the captain’s schedule look like? What kind of research projects are the science department involved with? Where is the replimat on the ship and what kind of conversations do they have?
It would be dull as dishwater to anyone but me - but it would all help to ground Star Trek in reality for me. This is one of the things I liked about DS9. Some mundane day-to-day stuff happened there.
Fortunately, I’m not running DSC in season 2 lol.
It was really good ice cream!A flavor of ice cream took up and entire tape in "And the Children Shall Lead"!
Here's the thing, I would watch it. I grew up reading things like "Space Cadet" and the like, and love day in the life type stuff. I don't want it always to be a "save the world!" type of adventure. I mean, it feels like the worlds in Star Trek are in constant peril and that sounds way to stressful
I know exactly what you mean.Here's the thing, I would watch it. I grew up reading things like "Space Cadet" and the like, and love day in the life type stuff. I don't want it always to be a "save the world!" type of adventure. I mean, it feels like the worlds in Star Trek are in constant peril and that sounds way to stressful
The Enterprise D was in some kind of peril every week for 7 years. I would have transferred off after that nonsense at Farpoint...
But of the 150 or so planets in the federation we saw many of them need saving or under attack or whatever in TNG alone. Maybe this was the veneer of the UFP starting to crack?
As poor of an episode as "He who is without sin" is, the point that the Federation is becoming complacent is one that I think was worth exploring, especially with so many threats.
But they had summers off. It was like being a teacher.
Isn't it possible that the digital atomic molecular level formula for a particular food to be created by the TOS food processors, would take up an entire terabyte of space on one of those discs?
Also, we were never told exactly how much space one of those contained.
For all we know it could be 1000 times a Terabyte of space.
Also, we were never told exactly how much space one of those contained.
For all we know it could be 1000 times a Terabyte of space.
The whole concept of having removable media storage in that manner for day to day use on the ship seems dated, especially if you have to have loads of them. Wouldn't all the data they need day to day be in the Enterprise's 'cloud' even in today's technology?
Even with cloud technology today, I still have flash drive backups of all my important stuff and pics.
Perhaps the Food Discs are capable of being tailored to a particular persons tastes?
So that your hot fudge brownie ice cream is slightly saltier than my version which is a lot sweeter???
Perhaps the Food Discs are capable of being tailored to a particular persons tastes?
So that your hot fudge brownie ice cream is slightly saltier than my version which is a lot sweeter???
I like to entertain the idea that they got hacked so many times by Romulans during the war and subsequent cold war, front line ships went seriously retro to keep from further occurances.
The did seem to call these "tapes". They didn't seem to have much storage capacity.
Guess archaic slang carried on from the days of server back ups. Some people still say ‘I taped it’ when it’s taped on a disc or a hard drive. They look a bit like Zip drives of course. More importantly, we do t know how much data they are holding...things like personnel fils may contain entire sequenced genomes, detailed biometric imaging, audio recordings...
Yes, in reality, it’s a little dated looking, but it’s not without it’s wiggle room.
One personnel file or similar per tape also makes sense from a data protection point of view.
I was reading the comics by Kirsten Beyer the other day, and they are good.
Whatever was wrong in the writer's room, it does not seem to be Beyer. The comics showed considerable imagination in building a picture of life in-universe, coupled with understanding of Star Trek. The Discovery stand-alone about the spore drive fleshes out the background of Stamets, and normal civilian life in the Federation a bit. The T'Kuvma one does a good job of fleshing out his psyche and convictions, showing life in his family estate, expanding our range of Klingon society, all without resorting to Klingon tropes, or recycling TNG information.
Cloud storage exists across WANs and stuff, the ship would just have a hard disk of some kind.
But portable hard storage isn't that big of a realism breaker for me, it might be that data is just hardened for military purposes, and TOS didn't literally use tapes or floppy disks as someone said on the last page, they just used some nondescript rectangle, which could be some really advanced "holographic storage" or "molecular storage". Those crystal media on Babylon 5 look a hell of a lot like what holographic storage is predicted to look like, albeit we may have moved on in 400 years.
Whatever was wrong in the writer's room, it does not seem to be Beyer. The comics showed considerable imagination in building a picture of life in-universe, coupled with understanding of Star Trek. The Discovery stand-alone about the spore drive fleshes out the background of Stamets, and normal civilian life in the Federation a bit. The T'Kuvma one does a good job of fleshing out his psyche and convictions, showing life in his family estate, expanding our range of Klingon society, all without resorting to Klingon tropes, or recycling TNG information.
Cloud storage exists across WANs and stuff, the ship would just have a hard disk of some kind.
But portable hard storage isn't that big of a realism breaker for me, it might be that data is just hardened for military purposes, and TOS didn't literally use tapes or floppy disks as someone said on the last page, they just used some nondescript rectangle, which could be some really advanced "holographic storage" or "molecular storage". Those crystal media on Babylon 5 look a hell of a lot like what holographic storage is predicted to look like, albeit we may have moved on in 400 years.
Ultimately, tapes, disks, PADDS or whatever just act as visual shorthand in the story for "this character is doing lots of work". The peak of this was a scene in Voyager where Neelix brings whole boxes of PADDs which makes no sense as a data access device (I don't have twenty kindles) but made the point in the story that there was lots to read.
The realism of the format doesn't bother me greatly. I get the meaning.
The realism of the format doesn't bother me greatly. I get the meaning.
Definitely seconded! I also loved the Annual about Stamets and how he met the spores and Culber.I was reading the comics by Kirsten Beyer the other day, and they are good.
Whatever was wrong in the writer's room, it does not seem to be Beyer. The comics showed considerable imagination in building a picture of life in-universe, coupled with understanding of Star Trek. The Discovery stand-alone about the spore drive fleshes out the background of Stamets, and normal civilian life in the Federation a bit. The T'Kuvma one does a good job of fleshing out his psyche and convictions, showing life in his family estate, expanding our range of Klingon society, all without resorting to Klingon tropes, or recycling TNG information.
For your consideration: This 30 seconds long YouTube video
Haven't read the comics, not really planning to. Beyer only penned one episode in S1, episode 8: "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum", the episode about Pahvo. I wasn't a fan of that particular episode. Harberts/Berg wrote a lot of the episodes that fleshed out the seasonal arc, I'm guessing they were mostly following through on Fuller's original vision for the show. With the two of them gone, I'm guessing the influence of Fuller is gone as well. Not really sure where the show will go now creatively, Kurtzman only has one collaborative writing credit on Discovery, for "The Vulcan Hello".
There's a difference in technology and aesthetics. Of course the tech would need to be upgraded. The aesthetics? Not so much. There was simply nothing wrong with the set designs of TOS. They would've looked spectacular if a talented eye were brought in to reinterpret them with modern production values.
There was also nothing "wrong" with the exterior of the original Enterprise. The resto-mod version in Discovery makes me want to gag the more I look at it.
That’s a good point - I’d forgotten about that episode. I actually don’t mind that one either - I like the interplay between the characters and that Quark gives us a rare glimpse into the Ferengi language and how it’s been shaped by the climate on Ferenginar (I’m a linguist so I get a kick out of things like that!). And I like Worf’s arc in the episode - he genuinely believes he’s right and that the terrorist chap has a point but when he realises that he’s gone too far and been a bit of an ass about the whole thing he learns something about the federation. It’s not one of my “go to” episodes of DS9 but I don’t hate it
Yeh how long were they all stood about after Riker said “fire” in BoBW? Longest. Summer. Ever.
Totally agree here. This was the point I was trying to make earlier.
And I think that with all the examples of memory tapes on DSC that pretty conclusively disproves the notion that outdated technology is being used on Star Trek.
I must admit to having a bee in my bonnet about the look of things, though. I think the stance DSC has taken of “well it’s got to look more advanced than today” is taking the easy way out and insulting our intelligence a little.
The tech needs to BE more advanced. It can LOOK like it runs on steam. And who’s to say what a warp ship will look like 300 years from now?
Personally I agree that the aesthetic of TOS was fine and could have looked amazing on DSC if a little bit more creativity had gone into updating it for modern TV.
I also have issues with the Enterprise design as well but I’m not going to open that can of razor toothed gree worms.
