I really love Voyager but it isn't a top ten one for me. It does have a rather apt title for a re-watch though
Discovery Showrunners fired; Kurtzman takes over
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I've liked all the previously Trek series. I wasn't a fan of Voyager's inability to get home, but I did enjoy a good deal of it regardless. Enterprise had some great arcs, episodes and characters as well. I loved what they did with T'Pol, Trip, and Archer in particular. I hope that Discovery can pick up steam in season 2 and be as good as what's come before. But I am worried there's too much baggage of bad things they've saddled themselves with in season 1, and it sounds like they're going back to the Klingon well instead of focusing entirely on the Discovery's story of... discovery.
I've liked all the previously Trek series. I wasn't a fan of Voyager's inability to get home, but I did enjoy a good deal of it regardless. Enterprise had some great arcs, episodes and characters as well. I loved what they did with T'Pol, Trip, and Archer in particular. I hope that Discovery can pick up steam in season 2 and be as good as what's come before. But I am worried there's too much baggage of bad things they've saddled themselves with in season 1, and it sounds like they're going back to the Klingon well instead of focusing entirely on the Discovery's story of... discovery.
*excitement level rises*
If "Voyager" is watched more right now could that simply be because people didn't watch it back in the day and people are now giving it a chance? Also in a way doesn't being watched more on something like Netflix actually mean something kind of bad? It means people don't like the show enough to get the DVD"s which fans of the others shows have done. I also think the fact that Trek is spread everywhere makes it hard to judge which shows are more watched, today. You got Netflix,Hulu,CBS - All-Access,DVD's,Blue-Rays,illegal steaming and i;m sure I am missing a few places, especially when it comes to places away from America. Does the Space channel in Canada or BBC in England also show it? God help everyone their is proably some even lost souls out their still watching it on Cassette Tape.
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Michael Burnham really is the problem with the entire series. Full stop.
When you do a show with one central character, you have to be spot on in writing that character. You have to make the audience care about the character's journey. I didn't see any of that with Burnham. She just seemed to be the fanwank nexus. A character that would be right at home in most fan fictions. Spock's adopted sister, who starts a war with the Klingons, helps depose of the leader of the Mirror Universe and gives a Klingon religious zealot a bomb that can destroy a world. Then is patted on the back for it.
They never gave me a reason to care about Michael Burnham because of Michael Burnham. The only reason they give us to care is because of her connections to TOS lore. I hope whoever the next showrunners are, give me a reason to care about Michael Burnham because of Michael Burnham.
All in my opinion.
When you do a show with one central character, you have to be spot on in writing that character. You have to make the audience care about the character's journey. I didn't see any of that with Burnham. She just seemed to be the fanwank nexus. A character that would be right at home in most fan fictions. Spock's adopted sister, who starts a war with the Klingons, helps depose of the leader of the Mirror Universe and gives a Klingon religious zealot a bomb that can destroy a world. Then is patted on the back for it.
They never gave me a reason to care about Michael Burnham because of Michael Burnham. The only reason they give us to care is because of her connections to TOS lore. I hope whoever the next showrunners are, give me a reason to care about Michael Burnham because of Michael Burnham.
All in my opinion.
This is worth noting again:
DS9, VOY, and ENT all basically had the same viewing curve when on - an initial spike of interest with the pilot, which fell, and then rapidly falling ratings as everyone tuned out but hardcore fans. Perhaps with some ratings stabilization by the end of the series.
TNG was the odd duck, because it had initially stable ratings for the first three years, and then it got even more popular, peaking during the 5th/6th season. Essentially the show got much, much better, and word of mouth got around about it.
If "Voyager" is watched more right now could that simply be because people didn't watch it back in the day and people are now giving it a chance? Also in a way doesn't being watched more on something like Netflix actually mean something kind of bad? It means people don't like the show enough to get the DVD"s which fans of the others shows have done. I also think the fact that Trek is spread everywhere makes it hard to judge which shows are more watched, today. You got Netflix,Hulu,CBS - All-Access,DVD's,Blue-Rays,illegal steaming and i;m sure I am missing a few places, especially when it comes to places away from America. Does the Space channel in Canada or BBC in England also show it? God help everyone their is proably some even lost souls out their still watching it on Cassette Tape.
I think a large part of it is that Millennials were a bit too young on the whole to watch TNG (or even DS9) when it came out, but remember watching VOY as kids. Thus it has a sort of nostalgic appeal.
God I hope so. There have been far too few hetro male heroes in the history of literature, theater and cinema.
Sarek is hetero, I'm sure Pike and Spock will be too. I think Discovery will be okay in that department!
Not to forget Tyler and presumably also Saru.Sarek is hetero, I'm sure Pike and Spock will be too. I think Discovery will be okay in that department!
I doubt the alien who pops a fear boner at the first sight of danger is hetero enough for him. I mean I have to assume that someone who chooses for himself "Kane Steel" and make that comment has certain notions about what can be allowed to pass for masculine.
Well, a fear boner is still a boner and fear is a feminine noun in some languages
Anyway, that would be a pretty bad reasoning.
The diversity thing has become really tired. And I really would like to know if all the people complaining about "how it should be equal distrabution" made the same protests in the past. Look at Voyager, the supposed previously most diverse cast. It had the following breakdown:
3 white men
2 white women
1 Black man
1 Asian man
1 Hispanic man
1 Latino woman
While it's great that it had such cross-culture representation, at the end of the day, white men made up 1/3 of the entire cast and men 2/3. That's not equal distribution.
And trying to include anyone and everyone is obviously not practical. And that's also true from an 'in-world' perspective, as well. Some crews will have more men. Some will have more women. Some crews will have several nonbinary and others won't have any.
There have been five Star Trek crews with more men. Now there's one with more women. Accept it an move on. It's agood great thing. Really.
3 white men
2 white women
1 Black man
1 Asian man
1 Hispanic man
1 Latino woman
While it's great that it had such cross-culture representation, at the end of the day, white men made up 1/3 of the entire cast and men 2/3. That's not equal distribution.
And trying to include anyone and everyone is obviously not practical. And that's also true from an 'in-world' perspective, as well. Some crews will have more men. Some will have more women. Some crews will have several nonbinary and others won't have any.
There have been five Star Trek crews with more men. Now there's one with more women. Accept it an move on. It's a
IIRC there was an old theory in TV production that if you have more than 1/3rd of a cast as being female, people just perceive it as a "women's show" and men tune out. This is why Berman Trek studiously stuck to having the main cast pretty much exactly 1/3rd female.
I have zero problems believe that's true.
Season 2 is going to be less about the Klingons then Season 1.
They will still be there, but they're not the main focus, just a side plot.
They already confirmed that Season 2 will be more like the other series now that the war is done.
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Someone just wake me up when they decide to strike out on their own, leaving the security of constantly referencing past shows.
My post didn't imply that.
It didn't seem to keep the men from watching Xena: Warrior Princess. If you count Joxer as a third lead, that still leaves the show with 2/3rds of the main cast as female. Without Joxer, it's 100% female. There were notable male characters - Autolycus, Ares, Joxer, Hercules, and Iolaus - but they were guest characters, not main characters.
So I guess TOS-Pike wasn't the only man who couldn't get used to having women on the Bridge.
Silly Baby Boomer... that's not how it's done today. You have to gather up a virtual mob of people on social media who wouldn't ever watch let alone spend money on the IP in any way and work them up into a tizzy. That's how you effect change in the modern era.
