Galaxy Quest is still the best Trek since First Contact. I'm pretty much ready to clock out of Trek and The Orville if the new GQ TV series is any good.
Discovery Showrunners fired; Kurtzman takes over
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Galaxy Quest is still the best Trek since First Contact. I'm pretty much ready to clock out of Trek and The Orville if the new GQ TV series is any good.
I suppose. It just reminds me of all the grief directed at Gene too. Without Roddenberry and Berman this forum would be - nothing.
"Fan made?" How much further can the tech go? It's already developing sentient holograms, creating new forms of life, and replicators that can create anything. Never mind the numerous devices that are just tossed in the Misc. drawer of Trek Tech, like the Genesis Device (whole new planets), phasing cloak, transporters curing illness, etc.
Yup.
Even though I don't think Rick Berman's word should be the Final Word in the Writer's Room and I don't think the Creators should throw up their hands and just say, "Oh, well, in 1990-something, Rick Berman said _____ can't be done, so we can't do it!"
... this is a true point. Without Rick Berman to keep Trek going on TV and proving that Star Trek was sustainable beyond TOS, it wouldn't be back in television production today.
... this is a true point. Without Rick Berman to keep Trek going on TV and proving that Star Trek was sustainable beyond TOS, it wouldn't be back in television production today.
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There's no way a post-Voyager series could be any more creatively bankrupt than Discovery.
Oh, I think it could.There's no way a post-Voyager series could be any more creatively bankrupt than Discovery.
When he first pitched a prequel for the series which would eventually become Enterprise, UPN executives not enthused by a prequel notion asked if he could do a 25th century show instead and Berman's response was "why, so the characters can wear tighter spandex and use smaller tricorders?"
The Execs still tried to push ENT to do 24th century style stuff.
Which is why we gotPhoton(ic) Torpedoes and 'phase' weapons that are totally not phasers.
And hull plating that works exactly like shields.
Oh and the transporter can't kill people. That was apparently something mandated from the studio.
Which is why we gotPhoton(ic) Torpedoes and 'phase' weapons that are totally not phasers.
And hull plating that works exactly like shields.
Oh and the transporter can't kill people. That was apparently something mandated from the studio.
Regarding the post-VOY thing: People always seem to forget that the prequel fever started with ENT, which was a Berman-era show. Hence if you think ENT (rather than say late period VOY) is what killed the franchise, you can't really claim people were sick of the 24th century.
I think you're wrong. Berman needed to go, along with the whole "format" of Berman-era Trek. But you could have told different sorts of stories within the Trek format and had it still interesting. What about an entire series following Starfleet Intelligence agents working against the Orion Syndicate? Or a Federation science ship which basically focuses on xenoarcheology, looking for the great relics of advanced races millions of years old? How about focusing not on the "best of the best" but a crew of mediocre folks on a humdrum ship, focusing upon character dynamics. Hell, a Trekkian comedy would even be possible while remaining within continuity. There were many possibilities. The problem is that Berman & Co. developed a tight-fitting straitjacket that only DS9 partially escaped.
I think you're wrong. Berman needed to go, along with the whole "format" of Berman-era Trek. But you could have told different sorts of stories within the Trek format and had it still interesting. What about an entire series following Starfleet Intelligence agents working against the Orion Syndicate? Or a Federation science ship which basically focuses on xenoarcheology, looking for the great relics of advanced races millions of years old? How about focusing not on the "best of the best" but a crew of mediocre folks on a humdrum ship, focusing upon character dynamics. Hell, a Trekkian comedy would even be possible while remaining within continuity. There were many possibilities. The problem is that Berman & Co. developed a tight-fitting straitjacket that only DS9 partially escaped.
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Yes, yes it really could be.There's no way a post-Voyager series could be any more creatively bankrupt than Discovery.
Yup. I'd rather the franchise rest until it gets some talented creative direction, than force out more trash by Kurtzman and friends.
This whole series has been a desperate attempt by CBS to exploit money from a fanbase that they don't respect (and I find it hilarious that so many fans are paying for STD), in order to keep their weak streaming service afloat.
I don't believe this series was actually conceived because it had a compelling story to tell. The erratic confusion behind the scenes shows this. Instead, Discovery was just an attempt to exploit the IP and fanbase of Trek for monetary gain.
Given the BTS drama, is this surprising? One man's vision was not necessarily easy to carry forward, nor would it be necessarily what CBS wanted.
Also, exploited? Really? If people are that dissatisfied, maybe try not paying for it? I know many who skipped Beyond because of their dissatisfaction. Perhaps there is a lesson in that.
Also, I'm not convinced that there is a story to tell in post-VOY either.
Finally, why do others care about what people want to do with their money? Just because I wouldn't spend money on something, doesn't mean others should not. I'm really odd that way.
And the Kelvin movies weren't?
Nope. They are good movies done to tell a story that is of interest to fans and nonfans alike.
I don't agree. Post Voyager opens a wealth of imagination. Discovery is limited to a ten year 'gotcha'. Even Enterprise had more scope.
Technology either stagnates or becomes more magical and problems are solved through magic tech or time travel.
Is there possibility? Of course. But, it requires some imagination of what to do with technology so it isn't so magical.
That's quite a shake up.
Kelvin movies were. Like I said, I'm not a fan of Star Trek continuing any further under the creative director of Bad Robot's people.
Star Trek 2009 was great though. It wiped the slate clean and brought new life to the franchise. It definitely had a story to tell (Kirk meets Spock) and really made Star Trek 'cool' and 'mainstream' again for a short time.
The sequel four years later though.... that was what killed whatever momentum and goodwill ST 09 brought to the table.
Personally, I would have loved a series set about 30 years after the Dominion war, where the Federation and the Dominion are forced to work together after decades of no contact. The Dominion could be a mysterious regime that the current generation don't know much about. They could even be a proxy for North Korea. We could have a Starfleet Captain who is a veteran of the war, who still harbours a lot of hatred and prejudice towards them...and his first officer would be a Jem'Hadar. The Jem'Hadar commander would struggle between his genetic programming and conditioning....versus what he is becoming after interacting with those outside his race. The two men will have to put their differences aside and work together to unite both regimes.
This is the curious aspect of Discovery. They decided to go with technology, time/multi universe travel, mycelial network, a spinning bouncing Starship in the wrong timeline. The tech and magic was there in the creators minds that clearly they wanted to use, so arguments post Voyager was dried up vision don't convince. They put way too advanced concepts in a pre-Tos era.
This is where I point out they had a ready made set up for a new series with the story of the Enterprise J exploring new galaxies.
